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There really don’t need to be special exemptions for police. Cops as an institution abuse whatever privileges they get, and then lobby for more privileges. They

There really don’t need to be special exemptions for police. Cops as an institution abuse whatever privileges they get, and then lobby for more privileges. They are barely accountable.

eloff 5y ago
Said with no real understanding of the subtleties of the issue and all the places where having special exemptions is critical to the police being effective in their job. Yeah, it's not perfect. But you can't just say it's completely unnecessary without a fucking PHD thesis on the subject going into each and every one of the edge cases and explaining why it's not necessary. We need proper checks and balances and accountability. Not to pretend we live in a fairy land.
- rishav_sharan 5y ago
  To be fair you are the one claiming special exemptions and lack of accountability for the police. Maybe you can share some more details on why you think it should be like that, so that we can better understand.
  - eloff 5y ago
    I said nothing about lack of accountability. Burden proof goes the other way. The police having ability to get physical with you without being charged with assault would seem to be critical to doing their job. Which is why they have that ability and citizens don't. You want to argue the widely accepted rules are wrong, sure, but the burden of proof is on you then.
- cptskippy 5y ago
  How effective are police at stopping crime? Do we have any evidence that giving the extraordinary rights to regular run of the mill law enforcement makes a difference? I'm not talking about federal agents working on large cases, but the city and county police who often can't be bothered to show up in person to take reports of robberies or assault. How effective are those officers at using GPS trackers, drones, MRAPs, and other extraordinary equipment to stop crime? If I had to hazard a Gus's it would be not at all.
  - raarts 5y ago
    Maybe look at places where the police is defunded? Reports that crime skyrockets in such places are plenty to be found.
    - helloworld11 5y ago
      plenty of subtleties covered here, and no, the cause effect relationship of police budgets reduced = crime rising isn't quite so cut and dry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_police#Effect_on_crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_police#Effect_on_cr...
    - 8note 5y ago
      That's likely confirmation bias. You'd also want to look at places where crime skyrocketed, as well as other factors likely to have an influence, like alternative support systems
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CaptainZapp 5y ago
That seems a very American perspective. Not that cops everywhere else are just dandy. But, as for one example, compare the use of firearms in the US by police with just about every other civilized country.

There really don’t need to be special exemptions for police. Cops as an institution abuse whatever privileges they get, and then lobby for more privileges. They are barely accountable.

eloff 5y ago

Said with no real understanding of the subtleties of the issue and all the places where having special exemptions is critical to the police being effective in their job. Yeah, it's not perfect. But you can't just say it's completely unnecessary without a fucking PHD thesis on the subject going into each and every one of the edge cases and explaining why it's not necessary. We need proper checks and balances and accountability. Not to pretend we live in a fairy land.

rishav_sharan 5y ago
To be fair you are the one claiming special exemptions and lack of accountability for the police. Maybe you can share some more details on why you think it should be like that, so that we can better understand.
- eloff 5y ago
  I said nothing about lack of accountability. Burden proof goes the other way. The police having ability to get physical with you without being charged with assault would seem to be critical to doing their job. Which is why they have that ability and citizens don't. You want to argue the widely accepted rules are wrong, sure, but the burden of proof is on you then.
cptskippy 5y ago
How effective are police at stopping crime? Do we have any evidence that giving the extraordinary rights to regular run of the mill law enforcement makes a difference? I'm not talking about federal agents working on large cases, but the city and county police who often can't be bothered to show up in person to take reports of robberies or assault. How effective are those officers at using GPS trackers, drones, MRAPs, and other extraordinary equipment to stop crime? If I had to hazard a Gus's it would be not at all.
- raarts 5y ago
  Maybe look at places where the police is defunded? Reports that crime skyrockets in such places are plenty to be found.
  - helloworld11 5y ago
    plenty of subtleties covered here, and no, the cause effect relationship of police budgets reduced = crime rising isn't quite so cut and dry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_police#Effect_on_crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_police#Effect_on_cr...
  - 8note 5y ago
    That's likely confirmation bias. You'd also want to look at places where crime skyrocketed, as well as other factors likely to have an influence, like alternative support systems
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CaptainZapp 5y ago

That seems a very American perspective. Not that cops everywhere else are just dandy. But, as for one example, compare the use of firearms in the US by police with just about every other civilized country.