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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van PRC does not deny they exist, nor denies that organs are harvested afte

by w7 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van PRC does not deny they exist, nor denies that organs are harvested after. There are pictures of them online, and notable cases where it was the officially recorded method of execution.

boringg 5y ago
Well that was a wikipedia link that felt ill to read. Assuming accuracy my apologies for the doubt.
- mattmaroon 5y ago
  No problem, it does sound like fiction.
  - boringg 5y ago
    Dystopian fiction.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  I'm going to make you feel a bit more ill - contrary to the intro of the article, the PRC did not actually invent the mobile lethal injection van in 1997. The first ever mobile lethal injection van was actually, as far I know, from Delaware in 1986 : http://www.doc.delaware.gov/deathrow/history.shtml http://www.doc.delaware.gov/deathrow/history.shtml [1] Beyond lethal injection vans, around a half dozen countries also employed gas chamber vans, with the first known example being in Nazi Germany. [1] For some reason Wikipedians came to a consensus that only Chinese execution vans should be mentioned in the article titled "Execution vans".
monocasa 5y ago
Oh wow, there's been heavy editing of that page since I last saw it. All references to the US's lethal injection vans removed for not being "relevant to the article".
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Probably the fact that organ harvesting of executees was done in other countries too. But yes, Wikipedia as time goes on is not the best source for politically contentious content. I used to not really notice it because I actually agreed with the ideological slant of Wikipedia, but contact with other, non-English Wikipedias has seriously forced me to reconsider and now I don't trust any Wikipedia on politically charged content.
  - monocasa 5y ago
    Nah, it was that we in the US had lethal injection vans for a while for a lot of the same reasons as China. We transitioned to lethal injection because it was seen as more humane than hanging or firing squad, but our more rural jurisdictions didn't have the resources to retrofit their prisons on the time table that politics required, so instead would share "mobile lethal injection facilities" starting in the 80s. And yeah, in my mind Wikipedia has fallen from what it promised to be originally. It's so easy to slant the tone of an article by careful deletion; it's an assymetric battle against free exchange of information.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      Yes, I meant that for example Taiwan has/had legal facilities to take organs from death row prisoners but that's not really mentioned. I agree with you on the rest.

by w7 5y ago

boringg 5y ago

Well that was a wikipedia link that felt ill to read. Assuming accuracy my apologies for the doubt.

mattmaroon 5y ago
No problem, it does sound like fiction.
- boringg 5y ago
  Dystopian fiction.
sudosysgen 5y ago
I'm going to make you feel a bit more ill - contrary to the intro of the article, the PRC did not actually invent the mobile lethal injection van in 1997. The first ever mobile lethal injection van was actually, as far I know, from Delaware in 1986 : http://www.doc.delaware.gov/deathrow/history.shtml http://www.doc.delaware.gov/deathrow/history.shtml [1] Beyond lethal injection vans, around a half dozen countries also employed gas chamber vans, with the first known example being in Nazi Germany. [1] For some reason Wikipedians came to a consensus that only Chinese execution vans should be mentioned in the article titled "Execution vans".

monocasa 5y ago

Oh wow, there's been heavy editing of that page since I last saw it. All references to the US's lethal injection vans removed for not being "relevant to the article".

sudosysgen 5y ago
Probably the fact that organ harvesting of executees was done in other countries too. But yes, Wikipedia as time goes on is not the best source for politically contentious content. I used to not really notice it because I actually agreed with the ideological slant of Wikipedia, but contact with other, non-English Wikipedias has seriously forced me to reconsider and now I don't trust any Wikipedia on politically charged content.
- monocasa 5y ago
  Nah, it was that we in the US had lethal injection vans for a while for a lot of the same reasons as China. We transitioned to lethal injection because it was seen as more humane than hanging or firing squad, but our more rural jurisdictions didn't have the resources to retrofit their prisons on the time table that politics required, so instead would share "mobile lethal injection facilities" starting in the 80s. And yeah, in my mind Wikipedia has fallen from what it promised to be originally. It's so easy to slant the tone of an article by careful deletion; it's an assymetric battle against free exchange of information.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Yes, I meant that for example Taiwan has/had legal facilities to take organs from death row prisoners but that's not really mentioned. I agree with you on the rest.