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The Rust foundation should be the organization heading the standardization efforts, not some shady GmbH. But looking at https://foundation.rust-lang.org/ https

The Rust foundation should be the organization heading the standardization efforts, not some shady GmbH. But looking at https://foundation.rust-lang.org/ https://foundation.rust-lang.org/ I see a content-devoid site that holds nothing but passive-aggressive demands for money. That's about as far away from "firmly believing" as possible given the circumstance.

raphlinus 5y ago
The Foundation is a recent development. The efforts by Ferrous to make Rust more suitable for safety-critical work predate the creation of the Foundation by quite some time; there was quite a bit of work done under the "sealed Rust" banner before that was rebranded as Ferrocene. Good specs don't emerge from thin air (though I suspect that many bad specs emerge through spontaneous generation), and the people who work on them deserve to be funded. While I'm not claiming the process the Rust community has is perfect, it is explicitly designed to be sustainable, and I think it's right to be proud of the collaboration between different companies, large and small, and also academia; Ralf Jung's work in particular is foundational and he well earned his recent PhD for it.
- otabdeveloper4 5y ago
  No offense, but your explanation reads like something a politician would produce when trying to explain why that airport missed deadlines while over budget and all that remains in abundance is a bunch of shell companies.
  - wtetzner 5y ago
    Do you have some sort of an SLA with Rust, stating that all of this work should already have been completed? It's a relatively new project, and will take time to catch up to existing languages in many areas. Neither C or C++ started with a standard.
steveklabnik 5y ago
The head of that “shady GmbH” is on the Core team, and is one of the Core Team’s board representatives for the Foundation. Regardless, it is a misunderstanding of Rust’s governance to suggest that the Foundation would lead a standardization effort; the Language Team, part of the Project, not the Foundation, is in charge of the definition of the language.

raphlinus 5y ago

The Foundation is a recent development. The efforts by Ferrous to make Rust more suitable for safety-critical work predate the creation of the Foundation by quite some time; there was quite a bit of work done under the "sealed Rust" banner before that was rebranded as Ferrocene. Good specs don't emerge from thin air (though I suspect that many bad specs emerge through spontaneous generation), and the people who work on them deserve to be funded. While I'm not claiming the process the Rust community has is perfect, it is explicitly designed to be sustainable, and I think it's right to be proud of the collaboration between different companies, large and small, and also academia; Ralf Jung's work in particular is foundational and he well earned his recent PhD for it.

otabdeveloper4 5y ago
No offense, but your explanation reads like something a politician would produce when trying to explain why that airport missed deadlines while over budget and all that remains in abundance is a bunch of shell companies.
- wtetzner 5y ago
  Do you have some sort of an SLA with Rust, stating that all of this work should already have been completed? It's a relatively new project, and will take time to catch up to existing languages in many areas. Neither C or C++ started with a standard.

steveklabnik 5y ago

The head of that “shady GmbH” is on the Core team, and is one of the Core Team’s board representatives for the Foundation. Regardless, it is a misunderstanding of Rust’s governance to suggest that the Foundation would lead a standardization effort; the Language Team, part of the Project, not the Foundation, is in charge of the definition of the language.