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What kind of datamining? I suppose we have no way of actually knowing if it's true, but Google does say they don't use Photos data for ads: As always, we don’t

What kind of datamining? I suppose we have no way of actually knowing if it's true, but Google does say they don't use Photos data for ads: As always, we don’t sell your information to anyone, and we don’t use information in apps where you primarily store personal content—such as Gmail, Drive, Calendar and Photos—for advertising purposes, period. https://blog.google/technology/safety-security/keeping-private-information-private/ https://blog.google/technology/safety-security/keeping-priva...

dolmen 5y ago
> As always, we don’t sell your information to anyone, and we don’t use information in apps where you primarily store personal content—such as Gmail, Drive, Calendar and Photos—for advertising purposes, period. As always with privacy policies, the information is in what is NOT said. 1. They don't sell to anyone. But what giving away for free? 2. They don't use personal content for advertising purposes. But what about other purposes than advertising? For example applying face or location recognition in photos to establish a profile that is used in a fraud detection service in Google Pay?
- Jabbles 5y ago
  1 seems unlikely to me - why would Google do that? It would always be in exchange for something, which is pretty much selling. 2 seems more plausible.
  - croon 5y ago
    1) I trust them when they say they don't sell it, technically. However they probably do sell information/meta data they themselves have mined from my data, which they probably claim is harmless and de-personalized.
  - beagle3 5y ago
    FB effectively gave data away to app developers (e.g. Cambridge analytica). They got something in return - as they do with all their partners - but this is not generally considered a sale, and often not even a trade.
    - alisonkisk 5y ago
      Users gave data away to app developers, not Facebook.
- snowwrestler 5y ago
  Google, in general, does not sell or give away data. What they do is charge advertisers to target ads to users based on that data. The distinction is that 3rd parties only have access to Google UIs or APIs based around ad targeting selectors. There is no API for 3rd parties to just download raw user data from Google. This is in contrast to Facebook, which used to allow “apps” on their platform to suck down raw user profile data in large quantities. It seems very likely that Google is using their user data for non-ad purposes, for example using Google Photos data to train ML image recognition engines, or using Gmail data to train conversational AI systems.

dolmen 5y ago

> As always, we don’t sell your information to anyone, and we don’t use information in apps where you primarily store personal content—such as Gmail, Drive, Calendar and Photos—for advertising purposes, period. As always with privacy policies, the information is in what is NOT said. 1. They don't sell to anyone. But what giving away for free? 2. They don't use personal content for advertising purposes. But what about other purposes than advertising? For example applying face or location recognition in photos to establish a profile that is used in a fraud detection service in Google Pay?

Jabbles 5y ago
1 seems unlikely to me - why would Google do that? It would always be in exchange for something, which is pretty much selling. 2 seems more plausible.
- croon 5y ago
  1) I trust them when they say they don't sell it, technically. However they probably do sell information/meta data they themselves have mined from my data, which they probably claim is harmless and de-personalized.
- beagle3 5y ago
  FB effectively gave data away to app developers (e.g. Cambridge analytica). They got something in return - as they do with all their partners - but this is not generally considered a sale, and often not even a trade.
  - alisonkisk 5y ago
    Users gave data away to app developers, not Facebook.
snowwrestler 5y ago
Google, in general, does not sell or give away data. What they do is charge advertisers to target ads to users based on that data. The distinction is that 3rd parties only have access to Google UIs or APIs based around ad targeting selectors. There is no API for 3rd parties to just download raw user data from Google. This is in contrast to Facebook, which used to allow “apps” on their platform to suck down raw user profile data in large quantities. It seems very likely that Google is using their user data for non-ad purposes, for example using Google Photos data to train ML image recognition engines, or using Gmail data to train conversational AI systems.