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How so? Germany has very strong employment laws so I wasn't surprised to see Berlin on the list.

by distances 5y ago

jmercouris 5y ago
Have you ever lived in Germany? Are suppressed wages a good sign?
- pelasaco 5y ago
  It is for sure bad for all other countries in Europe.
- distances 5y ago
  Yes, I live in Berlin and I'm very happy here. I have a good work-life balance. Wages aren't worse than elsewhere in Europe excl. Switzerland.
  - Nimitz14 5y ago
    I would think they're significantly lower than what you get in the south where all the major German companies are.
    - pelasaco 5y ago
      exactly https://www.iamexpat.de/career/employment-news/german-cities-where-you-earn-most-and-least https://www.iamexpat.de/career/employment-news/german-cities...
    - distances 5y ago
      Not for tech jobs, no. Major German companies do not pay major salaries for engineers and programmers, so the Berlin tech scene is competitive.
pelasaco 5y ago
"very strong employment laws" is Germany-wide and not specific to Berlin. Berlin has much less holidays than any other place in Germany. Beside that, Berlin has problems in all areas listed under "CITY LIVABILITY". There are much better places to live in Germany other than Berlin. I left Berlin to live in Lisbon, TBH I'm shocked that Lisbon isn't in the list at all, but for sure I would never come back to Berlin. Maybe Freiburg, Nürnberg, Kiel, even Potsdam, but Berlin? No way.
- distances 5y ago
  A couple of Catholic holidays doesn't change the situation much. Our own experiences are anecdotal, but I used to live in a high-ranking Nordic city from this list and prefer Berlin myself. The list doesn't rank any mid-tier cities so that's out of scope. It would be the same for Nordics: medium cities would top the capitals if they were included.
- patall 5y ago
  When you say Potsdam is better than Berlin, have you have ever been outside of Mitte, Kreuzberg and Neukölln? Because there are a lot of places in Berlin that are very much like Potsdam. For example Schmöckwitz. And about public transport: If I travel M10 in the rush hour, its obviously hell. But traveling S5 saturnday night after a very nice concert is pretty hard to beat. But then again, it's the same as Potsdam where you would take S1.
  - pelasaco 5y ago
    yes, well true, maybe the ranking should be "Best Work-Life balance" for singles/family without kids/U30, etc
    - playing_colours 5y ago
      When you start a family you can move to a different part of Berlin - quieter, safer, greener, family-friendly. This is what I did, so did some families I know. We moved from Prenzlauer Berg to Biesdorf. Our friends moved to Zehlendorf. No more loud neighbours running all-night parties, much less people under drugs. You get a sense of community, your neighbours own their houses, do not change every year, and take care of the place.

How so? Germany has very strong employment laws so I wasn't surprised to see Berlin on the list.

jmercouris 5y ago

Have you ever lived in Germany? Are suppressed wages a good sign?

pelasaco 5y ago
It is for sure bad for all other countries in Europe.
distances 5y ago
Yes, I live in Berlin and I'm very happy here. I have a good work-life balance. Wages aren't worse than elsewhere in Europe excl. Switzerland.
- Nimitz14 5y ago
  I would think they're significantly lower than what you get in the south where all the major German companies are.
  - pelasaco 5y ago
    exactly https://www.iamexpat.de/career/employment-news/german-cities-where-you-earn-most-and-least https://www.iamexpat.de/career/employment-news/german-cities...
  - distances 5y ago
    Not for tech jobs, no. Major German companies do not pay major salaries for engineers and programmers, so the Berlin tech scene is competitive.

pelasaco 5y ago

"very strong employment laws" is Germany-wide and not specific to Berlin. Berlin has much less holidays than any other place in Germany. Beside that, Berlin has problems in all areas listed under "CITY LIVABILITY". There are much better places to live in Germany other than Berlin. I left Berlin to live in Lisbon, TBH I'm shocked that Lisbon isn't in the list at all, but for sure I would never come back to Berlin. Maybe Freiburg, Nürnberg, Kiel, even Potsdam, but Berlin? No way.

distances 5y ago
A couple of Catholic holidays doesn't change the situation much. Our own experiences are anecdotal, but I used to live in a high-ranking Nordic city from this list and prefer Berlin myself. The list doesn't rank any mid-tier cities so that's out of scope. It would be the same for Nordics: medium cities would top the capitals if they were included.
patall 5y ago
When you say Potsdam is better than Berlin, have you have ever been outside of Mitte, Kreuzberg and Neukölln? Because there are a lot of places in Berlin that are very much like Potsdam. For example Schmöckwitz. And about public transport: If I travel M10 in the rush hour, its obviously hell. But traveling S5 saturnday night after a very nice concert is pretty hard to beat. But then again, it's the same as Potsdam where you would take S1.
- pelasaco 5y ago
  yes, well true, maybe the ranking should be "Best Work-Life balance" for singles/family without kids/U30, etc
  - playing_colours 5y ago
    When you start a family you can move to a different part of Berlin - quieter, safer, greener, family-friendly. This is what I did, so did some families I know. We moved from Prenzlauer Berg to Biesdorf. Our friends moved to Zehlendorf. No more loud neighbours running all-night parties, much less people under drugs. You get a sense of community, your neighbours own their houses, do not change every year, and take care of the place.