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On the same HN front page there has _just_ been a "senior developer drunk post", where a guy was complaining that full stack developers are being paid peanuts,

On the same HN front page there has _just_ been a "senior developer drunk post", where a guy was complaining that full stack developers are being paid peanuts, and they deserve a compensation of at least 500k USD—and the comments were cheering "amen to that". I don't understand anything about US IT salaries anymore.

MonkeyClub 5y ago
Oh, but US IT salaries are very easy to understand! They're too high, though not high enough. We've become the new priesthood. People who complain that sacrificing one calf to us each year would do well to be reminded that we're not demanding one child per year.
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  https://www.amazon.com/Priests-Programmers-Technologies-Engineered-Landscape/dp/0691130663/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=programmers+and+priests&qid=1622477305&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.com/Priests-Programmers-Technologies-Engi...
  - MonkeyClub 5y ago
    Spot on!
jiofih 5y ago
That’s a joke. $200k is a high developer salary if you ignore the TC amounts thrown around which are due to stocks popping in the past 3 years.
javagram 5y ago
Probably not the same people writing comments, but also I think everyone has a bias towards being told people with their job should be paid more :-)
pirate787 5y ago
There are 3 or 4 non-tech or semi-tech people around every dev in most operations. It is easy to make the case that the devs are worth at least 5x and great ones worth 10x
PragmaticPulp 5y ago
The $500K developer trope is getting out of control. The truth is that there are a small number of companies in a small number of locations paying those high salaries to a small number of highly talented developers. Once you enter that bubble it can feel like everyone around you is earning the same amount and therefore you can’t understand why everyone else in the US isn’t doing the exact same thing. In reality, the number of developers making $500K is relatively small. Even in California, the median developer compensation is a fraction of that. FAANG companies can have admission rates that are more selective than Ivy League universities, and they don’t even hire in most cities in the US. This causes a lot of compensation confusion and anxiety for young people who grow up reading HN comments and snarky Reddit posts when their first job offers don’t come anywhere near the $300K to $500K range that they read about online. It also causes a lot of grief for developers who think they’re overworked and underpaid because it seems like everyone on HN casually acts like $500K is the going rate for being able to spin up a React project.
- dehrmann 5y ago
  > FAANG companies can have admission rates that are more selective than Ivy League universities I've heard this comparison before, but I'm not sure how meaningful it is because the Ivies charge an application fee. There isn't much cost to applying to FAANG and hoping for the best.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  "there are a small number of companies in a small number of locations paying those high salaries to a small number of highly talented developers" Are they really that talented, or are they just good at whiteboarding algorithm questions that they almost never actually use on the job?
  - PragmaticPulp 5y ago
    It’s a myth that whiteboarding problems are the only criteria used in FAANG interviews. Being able to complete coding challenges is necessary but not sufficient for getting one of these jobs. These companies that spend $300K or more on their developers aren’t keen on keeping under-performers around, either. The idea that you can bluff your way into a FAANG job by memorizing enough LeetCode problems yet by somehow remaining an under qualified programmer is a myth.

MonkeyClub 5y ago

Oh, but US IT salaries are very easy to understand! They're too high, though not high enough. We've become the new priesthood. People who complain that sacrificing one calf to us each year would do well to be reminded that we're not demanding one child per year.

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
https://www.amazon.com/Priests-Programmers-Technologies-Engineered-Landscape/dp/0691130663/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=programmers+and+priests&qid=1622477305&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.com/Priests-Programmers-Technologies-Engi...
- MonkeyClub 5y ago
  Spot on!

jiofih 5y ago

That’s a joke. $200k is a high developer salary if you ignore the TC amounts thrown around which are due to stocks popping in the past 3 years.

javagram 5y ago

Probably not the same people writing comments, but also I think everyone has a bias towards being told people with their job should be paid more :-)

pirate787 5y ago

There are 3 or 4 non-tech or semi-tech people around every dev in most operations. It is easy to make the case that the devs are worth at least 5x and great ones worth 10x

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

The $500K developer trope is getting out of control. The truth is that there are a small number of companies in a small number of locations paying those high salaries to a small number of highly talented developers. Once you enter that bubble it can feel like everyone around you is earning the same amount and therefore you can’t understand why everyone else in the US isn’t doing the exact same thing. In reality, the number of developers making $500K is relatively small. Even in California, the median developer compensation is a fraction of that. FAANG companies can have admission rates that are more selective than Ivy League universities, and they don’t even hire in most cities in the US. This causes a lot of compensation confusion and anxiety for young people who grow up reading HN comments and snarky Reddit posts when their first job offers don’t come anywhere near the $300K to $500K range that they read about online. It also causes a lot of grief for developers who think they’re overworked and underpaid because it seems like everyone on HN casually acts like $500K is the going rate for being able to spin up a React project.

dehrmann 5y ago
> FAANG companies can have admission rates that are more selective than Ivy League universities I've heard this comparison before, but I'm not sure how meaningful it is because the Ivies charge an application fee. There isn't much cost to applying to FAANG and hoping for the best.
pmoriarty 5y ago
"there are a small number of companies in a small number of locations paying those high salaries to a small number of highly talented developers" Are they really that talented, or are they just good at whiteboarding algorithm questions that they almost never actually use on the job?
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago
  It’s a myth that whiteboarding problems are the only criteria used in FAANG interviews. Being able to complete coding challenges is necessary but not sufficient for getting one of these jobs. These companies that spend $300K or more on their developers aren’t keen on keeping under-performers around, either. The idea that you can bluff your way into a FAANG job by memorizing enough LeetCode problems yet by somehow remaining an under qualified programmer is a myth.