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Right...but if you look at Ukraine you see a different reality

coldtea 5y ago
If I look Ukraine I see a country with an old rivalry with Russia, which the US stepped on to use as another proxy against it in the area. I also see a country where the legitimate, voted for, goverment was overthrown by "orange revolution" style riots led by bona-fied neonazis and celebrated/sponsored by foreign powers. It's also a country whose an area has 60% Russian ethnicity population.
- thefounder 5y ago
  >> If I look Ukraine I see a country with an old rivalry with Russia, which the US stepped on to use as another proxy against it in the area. Or you could see a country fed up with Russia's influence/politics that chose a different direction. >> It's also a country whose an area has 60% Russian ethnicity population. Wtf is this supposed to mean? Should the US send an army of "patriots" and start a civil war in Tatarstan?
  - coldtea 5y ago
    >Or you could see a country fed up with Russia's influence/politics that chose a different direction. I would have seen that, if they haven't historically sized with Nazism, and the democratically elected government wasn't toppled by neonazis just now. >Wtf is this supposed to mean? Should the US send an army of "patriots" and start a civil war in Tatarstan? Does Tatarstan has some area with a large citizenry of American descent, and has an anti-American government that looks down on them have been established in the country? Was part of Tatarstan historically part of US too, for centuries even? If so, they'd certainly be justified to do so, yes, especially in that area. Then again, they they do it anyway, wherever they like, not in places they have actual borders with and a historical population of fellow ethnic Americans to protect, but 10s of thousands of miles away from their borders, where they have no history and no reason to be there, plundering and living hell-holes of civil war and destruction on their way out.

If I look Ukraine I see a country with an old rivalry with Russia, which the US stepped on to use as another proxy against it in the area. I also see a country where the legitimate, voted for, goverment was overthrown by "orange revolution" style riots led by bona-fied neonazis and celebrated/sponsored by foreign powers. It's also a country whose an area has 60% Russian ethnicity population.

thefounder 5y ago
>> If I look Ukraine I see a country with an old rivalry with Russia, which the US stepped on to use as another proxy against it in the area. Or you could see a country fed up with Russia's influence/politics that chose a different direction. >> It's also a country whose an area has 60% Russian ethnicity population. Wtf is this supposed to mean? Should the US send an army of "patriots" and start a civil war in Tatarstan?
- coldtea 5y ago
  >Or you could see a country fed up with Russia's influence/politics that chose a different direction. I would have seen that, if they haven't historically sized with Nazism, and the democratically elected government wasn't toppled by neonazis just now. >Wtf is this supposed to mean? Should the US send an army of "patriots" and start a civil war in Tatarstan? Does Tatarstan has some area with a large citizenry of American descent, and has an anti-American government that looks down on them have been established in the country? Was part of Tatarstan historically part of US too, for centuries even? If so, they'd certainly be justified to do so, yes, especially in that area. Then again, they they do it anyway, wherever they like, not in places they have actual borders with and a historical population of fellow ethnic Americans to protect, but 10s of thousands of miles away from their borders, where they have no history and no reason to be there, plundering and living hell-holes of civil war and destruction on their way out.