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"Studying S400 weaknesses can be done without buying it and deploying it. " How? Spycraft? Sounds a lot harder than having the gear at hand. "US for better or

"Studying S400 weaknesses can be done without buying it and deploying it. " How? Spycraft? Sounds a lot harder than having the gear at hand. "US for better or worse can take both Russia and China militarily on itself.." I hope we never find out, but I am sceptical. The US budget is surely way higher, but china and russia can produce, develope and sustain their military gear a lot lot cheaper. And have more manpower. "Russia is a direct threat of invasion for most European countries" And well, I live in germany and I don't feel threatened by russia. I know for Lithuania it is a bit different - but they are in the EU and NATO and the ukraine is not. So the lithuanian people I know don't really feel threatened by russia either and rather are annoyed by the new iron curtain, as well.

pizza234 5y ago
> And well, I live in germany and I don't feel threatened by russia. While "most European countries" is excessive, there are some countries that are very much under threat; Poland is the prime example.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  So you really think russia would invade a NATO country triggering a direct NATO response, with all the nukes still around? Do you know something I don't that makes this scenario likely?
  - adriancr 5y ago
    > So you really think russia would invade a NATO country triggering a direct NATO response, with all the nukes still around? Trump threatened to pull US out of NATO which would make it meaningless Regardless of intentions, If that were ever to happen, it would put even Germany under threat from Russia's green men. France/UK's nukes are a deterrent but its doubtful they would be used US with troops in those countries make it pretty clear a conventional war with green men would be repelled with heavy losses on Russian side.
    - hutzlibu 5y ago
      There are still lots of nukes in the NATO without the US. And germany does not have russian speaking and feeling areas, who would (at least partly) welcome green man, which was the case in east ukraine and crimea. And as far as I know, Trump is gone.
  - pizza234 5y ago
    I meant without the NATO present.

pizza234 5y ago

> And well, I live in germany and I don't feel threatened by russia. While "most European countries" is excessive, there are some countries that are very much under threat; Poland is the prime example.

hutzlibu 5y ago
So you really think russia would invade a NATO country triggering a direct NATO response, with all the nukes still around? Do you know something I don't that makes this scenario likely?
- adriancr 5y ago
  > So you really think russia would invade a NATO country triggering a direct NATO response, with all the nukes still around? Trump threatened to pull US out of NATO which would make it meaningless Regardless of intentions, If that were ever to happen, it would put even Germany under threat from Russia's green men. France/UK's nukes are a deterrent but its doubtful they would be used US with troops in those countries make it pretty clear a conventional war with green men would be repelled with heavy losses on Russian side.
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    There are still lots of nukes in the NATO without the US. And germany does not have russian speaking and feeling areas, who would (at least partly) welcome green man, which was the case in east ukraine and crimea. And as far as I know, Trump is gone.
- pizza234 5y ago
  I meant without the NATO present.