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"in Sweden now and there is a growing anti-EU sentiment here" That does not ring true to me. Care to back up that claim with a source?

dijit 5y ago
I could cite the rise of Sverigedemokraterna which has an anti-eu slant. https://sd.se/our-politics/eu/ https://sd.se/our-politics/eu/ https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-election-2018-results-migration-far-right-neurotica/ https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-election-2018-results... But I live in Malmo and see stickers popping up against the EU, I hear from the Swedish workers who have replaced the electrics and plastered the walls in my apartment about how bad the EU is and that Britain did the right thing (I'm british, which is why they came out with it). I mean, "SWEXIT" is definitely something on the rise. https://www.expressen.se/debatt/kasta-in-eu-handduken-och-bilda-ny-frihandelsunion/ https://www.expressen.se/debatt/kasta-in-eu-handduken-och-bi... But maybe this is not in Stockholm or the other major cities, I would even say Malmo itself does not have an appetite for breaking up with the EU, but the surrounding Skane region definitely has a stronger anti-immigrant and anti-EU sentiment. But that was true for Brexit too, London was quite opposed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#Greater_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_United_Kin...
- kreeben 5y ago
  The rise of Sverigedemokraterna is not proof of your initial claim that anti-EU sentiment is on the rise. "SWEXIT" This is the first time I've heard this term. Is it on the rise? I see no proof of it. Your link to Expressen news outlet is an opinion piece and does not prove your original claim.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    1) Hey, if we're going to be ludicrously nit-picky: Your not having heard of a term isn't proof that it isn't on the rise, either. 2) Actually, come to think of it: You hadn't heard of it; now you have. How's that for it being "on the rise", huh? 3) "Sweden should leave the EU!" is a matter of opinion. Where the heck else would you expect to find proof of its rise, if not in opinion pieces?
- kreeben 5y ago
  I find it very dishonest that your only reply to me is to down vote me. By doing so I believe strongly that you're abusing your down voting powers.
  - dijit 5y ago
    I can't downvote direct replies, it's not a feature that is available on this site, you'll notice the downvote button is missing for you on this comment of mine. That must be someone(s) else downvote. You can see it for me here: https://i.imgur.com/yOYpyEH.png https://i.imgur.com/yOYpyEH.png I believe you were downvoted because I cited a prominent anti-EU party that is gaining popularity and you decided to just dismiss it, which is intellectually dishonest. If there was no other argument, this would be enough to claim "anti-EU sentiment is on the rise" as it is a _core_ policy of their party and featured prominently on their website; in fact it's the only policy that has it's own link in the top banner, a vote for SD is a vote against the EU. Unequivocally. Of course my experiences with people from the Skane region are anecdotes, and you could have argued that point, but you didn't. You instead chose to point out that the article I selected was an opinion piece, and claimed your own anecdote that you had never heard of "SWEXIT". If you would prefer I can walk the streets of Malmo and look for anti-EU stickers, there are many. But I can't convince you of this I don't think. We don't poll people on EU sentiment, in fact the last vote that Sweden had on it was 27 years ago and "become an EU member" won at only 52% of the vote or something. The 2003 referendum on joining the euro resulted in the murder of a politician, though I'm not entirely sure that's related to the referendum, only that it affected the referenum. It's absolutely fair to say the Swedish people are not entirely unified on their vision of the EU.
    - kreeben 5y ago
      "I can't downvote direct replies" IC. Did not realize this until now. My apologies for that baseless claim. "It's absolutely fair to say the Swedish people are not entirely unified on their vision of the EU." Always has been. Your original claim was: "anti-EU support is on the rise". I argue this is a baseless claim.
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dijit 5y ago

I could cite the rise of Sverigedemokraterna which has an anti-eu slant. https://sd.se/our-politics/eu/ https://sd.se/our-politics/eu/ https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-election-2018-results-migration-far-right-neurotica/ https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-election-2018-results... But I live in Malmo and see stickers popping up against the EU, I hear from the Swedish workers who have replaced the electrics and plastered the walls in my apartment about how bad the EU is and that Britain did the right thing (I'm british, which is why they came out with it). I mean, "SWEXIT" is definitely something on the rise. https://www.expressen.se/debatt/kasta-in-eu-handduken-och-bilda-ny-frihandelsunion/ https://www.expressen.se/debatt/kasta-in-eu-handduken-och-bi... But maybe this is not in Stockholm or the other major cities, I would even say Malmo itself does not have an appetite for breaking up with the EU, but the surrounding Skane region definitely has a stronger anti-immigrant and anti-EU sentiment. But that was true for Brexit too, London was quite opposed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#Greater_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_United_Kin...

kreeben 5y ago
The rise of Sverigedemokraterna is not proof of your initial claim that anti-EU sentiment is on the rise. "SWEXIT" This is the first time I've heard this term. Is it on the rise? I see no proof of it. Your link to Expressen news outlet is an opinion piece and does not prove your original claim.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  1) Hey, if we're going to be ludicrously nit-picky: Your not having heard of a term isn't proof that it isn't on the rise, either. 2) Actually, come to think of it: You hadn't heard of it; now you have. How's that for it being "on the rise", huh? 3) "Sweden should leave the EU!" is a matter of opinion. Where the heck else would you expect to find proof of its rise, if not in opinion pieces?
kreeben 5y ago
I find it very dishonest that your only reply to me is to down vote me. By doing so I believe strongly that you're abusing your down voting powers.
- dijit 5y ago
  I can't downvote direct replies, it's not a feature that is available on this site, you'll notice the downvote button is missing for you on this comment of mine. That must be someone(s) else downvote. You can see it for me here: https://i.imgur.com/yOYpyEH.png https://i.imgur.com/yOYpyEH.png I believe you were downvoted because I cited a prominent anti-EU party that is gaining popularity and you decided to just dismiss it, which is intellectually dishonest. If there was no other argument, this would be enough to claim "anti-EU sentiment is on the rise" as it is a _core_ policy of their party and featured prominently on their website; in fact it's the only policy that has it's own link in the top banner, a vote for SD is a vote against the EU. Unequivocally. Of course my experiences with people from the Skane region are anecdotes, and you could have argued that point, but you didn't. You instead chose to point out that the article I selected was an opinion piece, and claimed your own anecdote that you had never heard of "SWEXIT". If you would prefer I can walk the streets of Malmo and look for anti-EU stickers, there are many. But I can't convince you of this I don't think. We don't poll people on EU sentiment, in fact the last vote that Sweden had on it was 27 years ago and "become an EU member" won at only 52% of the vote or something. The 2003 referendum on joining the euro resulted in the murder of a politician, though I'm not entirely sure that's related to the referendum, only that it affected the referenum. It's absolutely fair to say the Swedish people are not entirely unified on their vision of the EU.
  - kreeben 5y ago
    "I can't downvote direct replies" IC. Did not realize this until now. My apologies for that baseless claim. "It's absolutely fair to say the Swedish people are not entirely unified on their vision of the EU." Always has been. Your original claim was: "anti-EU support is on the rise". I argue this is a baseless claim.
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