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>Russia is a direct threat of invasion for most European countries lmao
by tclover 5y ago
>Russia is a direct threat of invasion for most European countries
lmao
- bitcharmer 5y agoYes, I'm pretty sure Ukrainians find it funny as well.
- tclover 5y agoCrimea is very complicated issue with no clear answer.
- bitcharmer 5y agoThis can be said about any geopolitical area if you look far enough into the history. Saying "it's complicated" is a very poor excuse for the annexation. Similarly "complicated" are Taiwan, Tibet, Kashmir and tens of other regions in the world. There will never be peace if we're OK with actions like this.
- hutzlibu 5y agoSure, but on the other hand, it is maybe not helpful to oversimplify. Because then your actions will not lead to more peace and just complicate things further. Territorial integrity is often at odds with self-determination. In the case of Georgia and Ukraine the west argued with sacred territorial integrity - and in the case of Kosovo with self-determination. And russia argued reverse. I have not been in all those areas, so I don't want to judge, but I do know that there was lots and lots of propaganda going on and allmost nobody really asked the actual people living there, what they actually want - which is what I prefer to apply in most conflicts. But this not so easy either, because ... does the vote of a person living there since only 2 years count the same as one whose family has been there since centuries? Where to draw the line? Otherwise it gets ridiculed when for example occupying russian soldiers in chechenya gets the same vote as the people who actually lived there.
- CRConrad 5y agoCrimea is an utterly simple issue with a crystal clear answer.