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wtf... What did Russia do to the Scandinavians? Why are you always afraid of Russia?

by tclover 5y ago

coldtea 5y ago
The "independent" media tell them so.
widforss 5y ago
They took Finland.
- tclover 5y ago
  who took what
  - widforss 5y ago
    Russia annexed Finland as war reparations after the Finnish war. Sweden had problems with Russia well before that, but I'd say that most of the modern Scandinavian russophobia stems from this event.
    - tclover 5y ago
      Well yes, but guess who annexed it first from Russia? (yes it was Sweden, if you want to talk history)
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        "From Russia"??? How? It had never been part of Russia.
      - widforss 5y ago
        Finland was part of Sweden since 1249. What are you talking about?
- wsc981 5y ago
  Finland? It's a made-up country; it doesn't even exist: https://www.reddit.com/r/finlandConspiracy/comments/52f5ae/the_finland_conspiracy_and_all_you_need_to_know/ https://www.reddit.com/r/finlandConspiracy/comments/52f5ae/t... (j/k)
Grustaf 5y ago
Russia and Sweden have been fighting since Viking times, but the relationship has been complex, there has also been very close cooperation. Swedish vikings were probably instrumental in founding the Russian state, and Peter the Great took much inspiration from Swedish administrative traditions when creating a new bureaucratic system, etc.
- tclover 5y ago
  Yeah but in the modern history Russia didn't show any interest of military conflict with anyone
  - Grustaf 5y ago
    Well, even as a Swedish russophile I still have admit that they were spying quite heavily on us during the cold war, including with submarines. Then lately there's Crimea, Donetsk and probably Georgia. Of course it's nowhere near to what the US and some of its allies have been doing, but it's not nothing. Still, the narrative that Finland, or even Central European countries should be worried is absurd.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    Finland 1809, Crimea 2014, and the whole of Eastern Europe in between. But, sure, "Russia didn't show any interest of military conflict with anyone". We're not supposed to accuse people of being trolls, but: For someone I'm not supposed to accuse of being a troll, you sure do sound a lot like you just happen to be posting from one of Putin's troll factories.
317070 5y ago
Russia seems unstable. Putin is what keeps the pyramid system together, but as all humans he will eventually die. And when that happens, it is unclear what Scandinavia can expect from its neighbour. You should not wait to start being afraid when things have gone badly already. If the political problems are obvious, a more prudent approach might be more adviced.
- tclover 5y ago
  wdym by unstable? You can say whatever you want about Putin, but he's definitely not an idiot. The next Russian president after Putin will be Sergey Shoygu, I'm 99% sure.
  - tored 5y ago
    Yes, Sergey Shoygu is probably going to be the next president. Shoygu speaks nine(!) languages fluently. Compare Putin and Shoygu with the trash leaders the West produces today. It is no comparison, walk over. I'm not an expert on Russia, but unstable? I can't really see that in the news cycle either. USA on the other hand have had massive riots for months and 25 000 national guard posted in the capital. The divisive politics that has accelerated with the Trump presidency where the different sides now view each others as (almost) enemies of the state, how are they going to pull themselves up from this? Seems very unstable.
tored 5y ago
When Russian Tsar Peter the Great decided to build the city of St Petersburg in 1703, on the site of the Swedish fort Nyenskans in the Swedish empire's eastern province Ingermanland, with the goal of establishing a sea port into the Baltic sea, a sea that was almost the Swedish empires own pond, Sweden and Russia became geopolitical enemies and has been ever since.

wtf... What did Russia do to the Scandinavians? Why are you always afraid of Russia?

coldtea 5y ago

The "independent" media tell them so.

widforss 5y ago

They took Finland.

tclover 5y ago
who took what
- widforss 5y ago
  Russia annexed Finland as war reparations after the Finnish war. Sweden had problems with Russia well before that, but I'd say that most of the modern Scandinavian russophobia stems from this event.
  - tclover 5y ago
    Well yes, but guess who annexed it first from Russia? (yes it was Sweden, if you want to talk history)
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      "From Russia"??? How? It had never been part of Russia.
    - widforss 5y ago
      Finland was part of Sweden since 1249. What are you talking about?
wsc981 5y ago
Finland? It's a made-up country; it doesn't even exist: https://www.reddit.com/r/finlandConspiracy/comments/52f5ae/the_finland_conspiracy_and_all_you_need_to_know/ https://www.reddit.com/r/finlandConspiracy/comments/52f5ae/t... (j/k)

Grustaf 5y ago

Russia and Sweden have been fighting since Viking times, but the relationship has been complex, there has also been very close cooperation. Swedish vikings were probably instrumental in founding the Russian state, and Peter the Great took much inspiration from Swedish administrative traditions when creating a new bureaucratic system, etc.

tclover 5y ago
Yeah but in the modern history Russia didn't show any interest of military conflict with anyone
- Grustaf 5y ago
  Well, even as a Swedish russophile I still have admit that they were spying quite heavily on us during the cold war, including with submarines. Then lately there's Crimea, Donetsk and probably Georgia. Of course it's nowhere near to what the US and some of its allies have been doing, but it's not nothing. Still, the narrative that Finland, or even Central European countries should be worried is absurd.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  Finland 1809, Crimea 2014, and the whole of Eastern Europe in between. But, sure, "Russia didn't show any interest of military conflict with anyone". We're not supposed to accuse people of being trolls, but: For someone I'm not supposed to accuse of being a troll, you sure do sound a lot like you just happen to be posting from one of Putin's troll factories.

317070 5y ago

Russia seems unstable. Putin is what keeps the pyramid system together, but as all humans he will eventually die. And when that happens, it is unclear what Scandinavia can expect from its neighbour. You should not wait to start being afraid when things have gone badly already. If the political problems are obvious, a more prudent approach might be more adviced.

tclover 5y ago
wdym by unstable? You can say whatever you want about Putin, but he's definitely not an idiot. The next Russian president after Putin will be Sergey Shoygu, I'm 99% sure.
- tored 5y ago
  Yes, Sergey Shoygu is probably going to be the next president. Shoygu speaks nine(!) languages fluently. Compare Putin and Shoygu with the trash leaders the West produces today. It is no comparison, walk over. I'm not an expert on Russia, but unstable? I can't really see that in the news cycle either. USA on the other hand have had massive riots for months and 25 000 national guard posted in the capital. The divisive politics that has accelerated with the Trump presidency where the different sides now view each others as (almost) enemies of the state, how are they going to pull themselves up from this? Seems very unstable.

tored 5y ago

When Russian Tsar Peter the Great decided to build the city of St Petersburg in 1703, on the site of the Swedish fort Nyenskans in the Swedish empire's eastern province Ingermanland, with the goal of establishing a sea port into the Baltic sea, a sea that was almost the Swedish empires own pond, Sweden and Russia became geopolitical enemies and has been ever since.