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That's an interesting thought experiment. To make it a bit more analogous, posit that Cuba forced a US Puerto Rico-bound aircraft to land in Havana in order to

That's an interesting thought experiment. To make it a bit more analogous, posit that Cuba forced a US Puerto Rico-bound aircraft to land in Havana in order to arrest a Cuban journalist. What do you think the US response would have been?

fsloth 5y ago
Puerto Rico is an interesting choice given many US citizen apparently don't consider it part of US proper (given apparently puerto ricoans are weirdly considered 'immigrants'). I chose mainland cities to evoke the "proper" expected outrage level given both Athens and Vilnius are (supposedly) major european cities. Your example, of course, is much closer to the percieved outrage level. I have no idea how US would specifically react, but the response likely would have been chosen to a) discourage future actions of the sort and b) to appease angry voters. Also, Cuba is already quite cordoned off, while Belarus has been part of the international community (they got to co-host Hockey wordl championships 2021). The EU response felt like "as a geopolitical entity, what is the bare minimum effort to save our diplomatic face". The lack of voter interest in EU is most critical, I think. I can't find any popular EU citizen sentiment of outrage over the matter. Which means, for all purposes, it's obvious the voting public has no "global eu consciousness" and hence EU is after this again geopolitically that much less credible IMHO.
- SSLy 5y ago
  >I can't find any popular EU citizen sentiment of outrage over the matter Could it be because majority of citizens don't use English as their native language / the one used to talk politics?
  - fsloth 5y ago
    Let me rephrase that a bit - I am a citizen of an EU member state (Finland) - and there was very little discussion of any sort except theoretical pondering on what this means from political theory point of view. Very little worry or outrage. Kidnapping citizens of EU fellow member states is obviously not considered very important.

fsloth 5y ago

Puerto Rico is an interesting choice given many US citizen apparently don't consider it part of US proper (given apparently puerto ricoans are weirdly considered 'immigrants'). I chose mainland cities to evoke the "proper" expected outrage level given both Athens and Vilnius are (supposedly) major european cities. Your example, of course, is much closer to the percieved outrage level. I have no idea how US would specifically react, but the response likely would have been chosen to a) discourage future actions of the sort and b) to appease angry voters. Also, Cuba is already quite cordoned off, while Belarus has been part of the international community (they got to co-host Hockey wordl championships 2021). The EU response felt like "as a geopolitical entity, what is the bare minimum effort to save our diplomatic face". The lack of voter interest in EU is most critical, I think. I can't find any popular EU citizen sentiment of outrage over the matter. Which means, for all purposes, it's obvious the voting public has no "global eu consciousness" and hence EU is after this again geopolitically that much less credible IMHO.

SSLy 5y ago
>I can't find any popular EU citizen sentiment of outrage over the matter Could it be because majority of citizens don't use English as their native language / the one used to talk politics?
- fsloth 5y ago
  Let me rephrase that a bit - I am a citizen of an EU member state (Finland) - and there was very little discussion of any sort except theoretical pondering on what this means from political theory point of view. Very little worry or outrage. Kidnapping citizens of EU fellow member states is obviously not considered very important.