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I don't see how it's a good idea to buy air defense from a potential enemy you have... the country NATO was created to defend against... It will surely protect

I don't see how it's a good idea to buy air defense from a potential enemy you have... the country NATO was created to defend against... It will surely protect you against them and not be used to sabotage/spy on you.

truth_ 5y ago
India is not a part of NATO. India was one of the leaders of the Non-Alignment Movement, but did certainly bend a little towards the USSR. USSR and post-USSR Russia has solidly backed India in many issues. When the US imposed bans on export of vaccine raw materials even after a month of assurances of special waivers for India, Russia agreed to supply and produce Sputnik V in a heartbeat. Historically, here's one example- when US Ally Pakistan was committing a genocide and ethnic cleansing on its own people [0] (now the country of Bangladesh), and India was funding and training the rebels, the US sent Task Force 74 to deter India. And Russia sent cruisers, destroyer, and a nuclear armed submarine to balance the situation. India won the war of 1971. And the independent country of Bangladesh was born. See- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_74 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_74 [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide
- 1cvmask 5y ago
  We also openly supported white colonisers in India like the Portuguese in Goa and the French in Pondicherry (just like Vietnam etc). We even voted against Indians at the UN in favor of white colonial rule of Goa (and even forced client states through coups/arms twisting to vote along). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa#UN_attempts_at_ceasefire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa#UN_attempts_...
- adriancr 5y ago
  India is not part of NATO... I only meant the comment for NATO countries. For India it does makes a lot of sense.
hutzlibu 5y ago
The nato was created against the sowjetunion. There is no more sowjetunion. And it is a bit frustrating, that we are in a new cold war right now, because people were too lazy(on both sides) to adjust after the wall came down. So yes, russia is an enemy again, hurey and sure it makes not much sense letting them gather direct data to boosten their air defence missiles. But this works in both ways, no? If you have the S400 - you can study extensivly its weaknessess. Apart from that, china seems a bigger threat.
- adriancr 5y ago
  Studying S400 weaknesses can be done without buying it and deploying it. (And likely has been done in plane design) > Apart from that, china seems a bigger threat. Russia is a direct threat of invasion for most European countries and yet they're not taken seriously (except neighbors which some have been invaded). The fact that S400 is even debated is proof of that... US for better or worse can take both Russia and China militarily on itself... but it feels a bit pointless if the countries it protects are shooting themselves in the foot.
  - tclover 5y ago
    >Russia is a direct threat of invasion for most European countries lmao
    - bitcharmer 5y ago
      Yes, I'm pretty sure Ukrainians find it funny as well.
      - tclover 5y ago
        Crimea is very complicated issue with no clear answer.
        bitcharmer 5y ago
        This can be said about any geopolitical area if you look far enough into the history. Saying "it's complicated" is a very poor excuse for the annexation. Similarly "complicated" are Taiwan, Tibet, Kashmir and tens of other regions in the world. There will never be peace if we're OK with actions like this.

truth_ 5y ago

India is not a part of NATO. India was one of the leaders of the Non-Alignment Movement, but did certainly bend a little towards the USSR. USSR and post-USSR Russia has solidly backed India in many issues. When the US imposed bans on export of vaccine raw materials even after a month of assurances of special waivers for India, Russia agreed to supply and produce Sputnik V in a heartbeat. Historically, here's one example- when US Ally Pakistan was committing a genocide and ethnic cleansing on its own people [0] (now the country of Bangladesh), and India was funding and training the rebels, the US sent Task Force 74 to deter India. And Russia sent cruisers, destroyer, and a nuclear armed submarine to balance the situation. India won the war of 1971. And the independent country of Bangladesh was born. See- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_74 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_74 [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide

1cvmask 5y ago
We also openly supported white colonisers in India like the Portuguese in Goa and the French in Pondicherry (just like Vietnam etc). We even voted against Indians at the UN in favor of white colonial rule of Goa (and even forced client states through coups/arms twisting to vote along). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa#UN_attempts_at_ceasefire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa#UN_attempts_...
adriancr 5y ago
India is not part of NATO... I only meant the comment for NATO countries. For India it does makes a lot of sense.

hutzlibu 5y ago

The nato was created against the sowjetunion. There is no more sowjetunion. And it is a bit frustrating, that we are in a new cold war right now, because people were too lazy(on both sides) to adjust after the wall came down. So yes, russia is an enemy again, hurey and sure it makes not much sense letting them gather direct data to boosten their air defence missiles. But this works in both ways, no? If you have the S400 - you can study extensivly its weaknessess. Apart from that, china seems a bigger threat.

adriancr 5y ago
Studying S400 weaknesses can be done without buying it and deploying it. (And likely has been done in plane design) > Apart from that, china seems a bigger threat. Russia is a direct threat of invasion for most European countries and yet they're not taken seriously (except neighbors which some have been invaded). The fact that S400 is even debated is proof of that... US for better or worse can take both Russia and China militarily on itself... but it feels a bit pointless if the countries it protects are shooting themselves in the foot.
- tclover 5y ago
  >Russia is a direct threat of invasion for most European countries lmao
  - bitcharmer 5y ago
    Yes, I'm pretty sure Ukrainians find it funny as well.
    - tclover 5y ago
      Crimea is very complicated issue with no clear answer.
      - bitcharmer 5y ago
        This can be said about any geopolitical area if you look far enough into the history. Saying "it's complicated" is a very poor excuse for the annexation. Similarly "complicated" are Taiwan, Tibet, Kashmir and tens of other regions in the world. There will never be peace if we're OK with actions like this.