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I'd be more interesting in knowing why Wikipedia is cutting off so many "<1%" users like narrow desktop screens, older browsers, no-JS users, mobile users with
by forgotmypw17 5y ago
I'd be more interesting in knowing why Wikipedia is cutting off so many "<1%" users like narrow desktop screens, older browsers, no-JS users, mobile users with unsteady connections.
- bawolff 5y agoHow are no-js users cut off? At least the desktop site should definitely work fine (I never use the mobile so i don't know). Hell, last i checked, wikipedia even worked if cookies were disabled (and you weren't logged in). I'm also not sure what the unsteady connections thing is about? Wikipedia doesn't modify the TCP stack.
- forgotmypw17 5y agoBy "unsteady connections", I meant inconsistent or unreliable connections, where you may not be able to stay online reliably. On mobile, there is a new "feature" where each section is lazy-loaded, so if you do not expand them while you are online, you cannot read them once you're offline. Also, if the browser reloads the page from cache while offline, sections are also inaccessible. The desktop site is inaccessible to mobile because the left column stays visible and floats over or squeezes the actual text.
- bawolff 5y agoFair enough. I'm personally not a fan of the mobile site, even on mobile. https://en.wikipedia.org/?useskin=timeless https://en.wikipedia.org/?useskin=timeless is another option (for that link to work on mobile, you have to first click the use desktop button to have desktop cookies)
- forgotmypw17 5y agoThanks, I like the idea of Gemini, but haven't found the time to try any of the clients yet. In my eyes it has a few shortcomings straight out of the gates by requiring TLS and also by being relatively new tech, so there's not much established knowledge base, and the "early problems" are still being solved. It's much less accessible than Web in many different scenarios, such as when I can't install software on my device, when I'm using an older device, etc.