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There is this problem where: 1. A situation becomes political, and all kinds of claims are made by demagogues without evidence in order to score points, based

by j4yav 5y ago

There is this problem where: 1. A situation becomes political, and all kinds of claims are made by demagogues without evidence in order to score points, based on whatever they would like to be true. 2. There is lots of arguing, and subtle points like “we don’t know enough to know the truth yet but X seems practical/probable” get attacked by all sides or used by the people from 1 to show how much they are being silenced or to generate conspiracy theories. 3. Eventually the reality of the situation becomes mostly clear, and the people who happened to jump to the right conclusion without evidence use it to recruit more followers, and the people who were wrong don’t want to give an inch because it benefits the group who were right for the wrong reasons. In the end most people get more polarized and there is no clear way to short circuit the process.

deorder 5y ago
In my experience, those called "conspiracy theorists" (or any other name for that matter) turned out to be mostly right. The subreddit /r/wuhan_flu was quarantined last February for allegations that the virus may have escaped from a lab and that the virus may be airborne. They did not even claim it was definitely so, but it was just speculation based on multiple papers. That subreddit is still quarantined as of today. That's just one of the thousands of examples I've come across. The people who spread G5 and chip theories are a very small group compared to the rest of the skeptics, yet they are portrayed by the mass media etc. as one and the same. This is reflected in how many people deal with people who criticize the official story. We seem to have lost all logic and critical thinking. There is no room for healthy discussions anymore. Instead people are personally attacking each other.
Natsu 5y ago
There were always reasonable people questioning the WHO and whether this was a lab leak, the problem is that they were out-shouted by crazies, then got swept up into various blanket bans. In general this seems to happen to all moderate discourse during highly political events, to the point where I almost feel like it's a strategy part of the time.

by j4yav 5y ago

deorder 5y ago

In my experience, those called "conspiracy theorists" (or any other name for that matter) turned out to be mostly right. The subreddit /r/wuhan_flu was quarantined last February for allegations that the virus may have escaped from a lab and that the virus may be airborne. They did not even claim it was definitely so, but it was just speculation based on multiple papers. That subreddit is still quarantined as of today. That's just one of the thousands of examples I've come across. The people who spread G5 and chip theories are a very small group compared to the rest of the skeptics, yet they are portrayed by the mass media etc. as one and the same. This is reflected in how many people deal with people who criticize the official story. We seem to have lost all logic and critical thinking. There is no room for healthy discussions anymore. Instead people are personally attacking each other.

Natsu 5y ago

There were always reasonable people questioning the WHO and whether this was a lab leak, the problem is that they were out-shouted by crazies, then got swept up into various blanket bans. In general this seems to happen to all moderate discourse during highly political events, to the point where I almost feel like it's a strategy part of the time.