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> I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US. Does this happen

by Permit 5y ago

> I still wonder, what happens if other countries like China, Russia spy on other governments and are disclosed? They will be embargoed by US. Does this happen? Has China faced sanctions after spying on US citizens or stealing trade secrets? Has Russia?

f38zf5vdt 5y ago
Yeah. For a while now. [1][2] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/administration-developing-sanctions-against-china-over-cyberespionage/2015/08/30/9b2910aa-480b-11e5-8ab4-c73967a143d3_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/admin... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/biden-to-announce-tough-sanctions-on-russia-over-cyber-spying/2021/04/15/a4c1d260-746e-11eb-948d-19472e683521_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/biden-to-an...
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- Permit 5y ago
  The China sanctions do not appear to have been enacted, but the Russian ones in response to the attack on SolarWinds do. Thanks for the links!
quyleanh 5y ago
> Does this happen? Has China faced sanctions after spying on US citizens or stealing trade secrets? Has Russia? Yes, it does happen. I've read many news about US claims that Chinese government-backed hacker groups or corporations spying and stealing. And they are embargoed. You can refer to Huawei case.
- Permit 5y ago
  > You can refer to Huawei case. I have only surface-level knowledge, but wasn't this case because Huawei was selling components to Iran? Or was it related to spying?
  - eloff 5y ago
    It was selling components to Iran.
  - quyleanh 5y ago
    You can refer to this article. US claims Huawei 5G devices can track and spy US and Europe citizens. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/for-huawei-the-5g-play-is-in-europe--and-the-us-is-pushing-hard-for-a-ban-there/2019/05/28/582a8ff6-78d4-11e9-b7ae-390de4259661_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/for-h...
  - justicezyx 5y ago
    Selling to Iran as the motivation of sanctioning Huawei? How poorly you are informed about international politics? If selling to Iran was a problem, then you can just do whatever you want in the legal process to fix the issue. Force companies to not work with huawei, even against those companies' own interests. And detaining the Huwei founder's daughter and internationally to drag her into a legal marathon that has no end in sight, virtually sentence her to life time home arrest. How naïve you are! Or should I say how consistently you are sugarcoating the bullshit, bravo!
    - Permit 5y ago
      > How poorly you are informed about international politics? > How naïve you are! Why the hostility? I've asked a handful of questions in good faith and another commenter politely corrected me on a few issues I was not aware of. It sounds like you have a better understanding of the issues at hand so I'd invite you to correct me rather than insult me.
      - justicezyx 5y ago
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2019/05/21/huawei-why-facing-sanctions-and-who-get-hurt-most/3750738002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2019/05/21/huawei-w...
  - trasz 5y ago
unishark 5y ago
I'm not clear what is illegal and where is the jurisdiction in this case. Apparently it is about Danish Intelligence allowing the tapping of Danish internet lines in Denmark. Is that a crime? Is it even something China would deny doing within their own country? I thought the US govt would just refused to allow services or something be sold to the US from China if they knew it went on. Or you know, try to, before the outrage and legal process overturned the ban.
- fogihujy 5y ago
  Illegal? Possibly. It's being debated according to Danish news. Controversial? Yes, to the extent that Denmark managed to piss off every single neighboring country. Also, Denmark is actively trying to avoid shutting down some illegal monitoring of its' own citizens, and this is pouring more fuel on that fire. Spying on Germany caused a political shitstorm the last time it was im the Danish news and now it has been revealed Denmark spied on others too, I suspect that circus will be repeated.

by Permit 5y ago

f38zf5vdt 5y ago

Yeah. For a while now. [1][2] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/administration-developing-sanctions-against-china-over-cyberespionage/2015/08/30/9b2910aa-480b-11e5-8ab4-c73967a143d3_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/admin... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/biden-to-announce-tough-sanctions-on-russia-over-cyber-spying/2021/04/15/a4c1d260-746e-11eb-948d-19472e683521_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/biden-to-an...

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Permit 5y ago
The China sanctions do not appear to have been enacted, but the Russian ones in response to the attack on SolarWinds do. Thanks for the links!

quyleanh 5y ago

> Does this happen? Has China faced sanctions after spying on US citizens or stealing trade secrets? Has Russia? Yes, it does happen. I've read many news about US claims that Chinese government-backed hacker groups or corporations spying and stealing. And they are embargoed. You can refer to Huawei case.

Permit 5y ago
> You can refer to Huawei case. I have only surface-level knowledge, but wasn't this case because Huawei was selling components to Iran? Or was it related to spying?
- eloff 5y ago
  It was selling components to Iran.
- quyleanh 5y ago
  You can refer to this article. US claims Huawei 5G devices can track and spy US and Europe citizens. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/for-huawei-the-5g-play-is-in-europe--and-the-us-is-pushing-hard-for-a-ban-there/2019/05/28/582a8ff6-78d4-11e9-b7ae-390de4259661_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/for-h...
- justicezyx 5y ago
  Selling to Iran as the motivation of sanctioning Huawei? How poorly you are informed about international politics? If selling to Iran was a problem, then you can just do whatever you want in the legal process to fix the issue. Force companies to not work with huawei, even against those companies' own interests. And detaining the Huwei founder's daughter and internationally to drag her into a legal marathon that has no end in sight, virtually sentence her to life time home arrest. How naïve you are! Or should I say how consistently you are sugarcoating the bullshit, bravo!
  - Permit 5y ago
    > How poorly you are informed about international politics? > How naïve you are! Why the hostility? I've asked a handful of questions in good faith and another commenter politely corrected me on a few issues I was not aware of. It sounds like you have a better understanding of the issues at hand so I'd invite you to correct me rather than insult me.
    - justicezyx 5y ago
      https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2019/05/21/huawei-why-facing-sanctions-and-who-get-hurt-most/3750738002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2019/05/21/huawei-w...
- trasz 5y ago

unishark 5y ago

I'm not clear what is illegal and where is the jurisdiction in this case. Apparently it is about Danish Intelligence allowing the tapping of Danish internet lines in Denmark. Is that a crime? Is it even something China would deny doing within their own country? I thought the US govt would just refused to allow services or something be sold to the US from China if they knew it went on. Or you know, try to, before the outrage and legal process overturned the ban.

fogihujy 5y ago
Illegal? Possibly. It's being debated according to Danish news. Controversial? Yes, to the extent that Denmark managed to piss off every single neighboring country. Also, Denmark is actively trying to avoid shutting down some illegal monitoring of its' own citizens, and this is pouring more fuel on that fire. Spying on Germany caused a political shitstorm the last time it was im the Danish news and now it has been revealed Denmark spied on others too, I suspect that circus will be repeated.