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I've been thinking just days ago that ending the Bond franchise will be the number 1 target of the woke crowd (or whoever steers them). The reason is obvious: B

by akomtu 5y ago

I've been thinking just days ago that ending the Bond franchise will be the number 1 target of the woke crowd (or whoever steers them). The reason is obvious: Bond is the pinnacle of "whiteness" - the character is all about excellence and superiority, all attributed to a white dude (this brazen heresy is making me feel a bit uneasy). And since the censors can't make their own PC movie that would outcompete Bond, they'll have to cancel it.

setpatchaddress 5y ago
You really need to stop watching Fox News. It is poisoning your brain. No one other than Twitter grifters thinks the way you seem to think they do. - A Bond of color is probably an inevitability. - Bond is usually incredibly incompetent and succeeds in spite of himself through sheer luck.
- asguy 5y ago
  > You really need to stop watching Fox News. It is poisoning your brain. What’s the point of typing this out? When you write things like this do you think you’re going to convince anyone to change positions? Is it just to gain internet points? Imagine this as a response to your comment: > You really need to stop watching MSNBC. It is poisoning your brain. It’s like playing tennis. I’m replying because this type of stuff is so tiresome. It’s hard enough to avoid on the rest of the Internet; please don’t bring it to HN.
- curtainsforus 5y ago
  You agree with fox news on half of your points?
- rejectedandsad 5y ago
  The idea that he’s incredibly incompetent is revisionist. These movies aren’t deconstruction, and shouldn’t be. The fun is when he’s able to get out of tough situations in the spur of the moment (my favorites, like Goldfinger and For Your Eyes Only show him in credible danger several times). Interestingly, this is something the Mission Impossible series did perfectly in their last movie, better than almost all Bond movies. With that said, I really don’t think anybody is actually threatened by Bond being a white man. Like, people have lives to live.
  - jhbadger 5y ago
    Although one thing that is true of the movies that is lampooned in the spy parody show "Archer", is that Bond doesn't seem to understand how to be a secret agent. Secret agents shouldn't go around drawing attention to themselves the way that Bond (and his parody Sterling Archer) do. And they certainly shouldn't go around introducing themselves using their real names!
    - rejectedandsad 5y ago
      The fact that he’s known seems to be inconsistent throughout the movies. Tiffany Case apparently knew who he was but not what he looked like, but a lot of other people had to look him up after giving his real name. He also does have a cover in some films, like St John Smythe in A View to a Kill
halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
Idris Elba is heavily favored on the internet as the next Bond. It’s on MGM (now Amazon) to push a more contemporary and progressive Bond. This isn’t dismissing the past “white” and stereotypical alpha male persona of Bond, but there’s plenty of room to move forward and bring Bond into the 21st century.
- strictnein 5y ago
  I'm a huge Bond fan and would love to see Elba as Bond, but I doubt he'll be chosen simply because he is too "old". Bond movies come out a little more slowly than other series and they'll want their next Bond to be able to do at least 3-5 movies. Starting with an actor who is almost 50 just doesn't seem to fit that schedule, unfortunately.
  - CamperBob2 5y ago
    Starting with an actor who is almost 50 just doesn't seem to fit that schedule, unfortunately. Unless they're going to keep playing up the "I'm too old for this shit" angle, which was already starting to wear a little thin in Skyfall. That said, my guess is that Bond's ultimate fate is to become M. Obviously an older actor would be appropriate in that case.
- rejectedandsad 5y ago
  Nobody actually wants Elba. A few people fixated on one person even though there are a dozen more age appropriate candidates, white or black. The next Bond is more likely to be Cavill, Madden or hell John Boyega (*previously said Winston Duke, but he's American) than Elba.
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  I've always felt Bond's success was due to Sir. Sean Connery. I don't think it was about race at all, it was about charisma. I even go further and say we would probally not have a Bond theatrical legacy, if it wasen't for Connery's decision to be an actor. Oh yea, Rolex owes so much advertising dollars to the estate of Connery. That iconic wrist shot sold millions of Oyster Subs. I repair watches part time. There are guys who bring me their overpriced broken watch, and when we meet at the door, I would swear they were brought up watching Bond movies. Most sub owners just want a working quality watch, but there are others that take on Connery's persona in little ways. Kinda like the young guys who wanted to be fighter pilots after watching Top Gun, or be Bud in Urban Coyboy, or living Tony's life after watching Saturday Night Fever. Most of you are probally to young, but after Saturday Night Fever, America became disco dancers. After Urban Cowboy, Stock brokers were doing the two step, and had a slight accent overnight. It was funny. And yes--I bought a polyester shirt. And yes--I bought cowboy boots. I let it go though. I'm embarrassed even writing about it. My point is certain charismatic actors are the reason certain films are great. The color of America is changing, and there will be actors that out shine some of our greats. (I am a total movie snob. I don't think Bond movies are magic. I do think Connery, and Travolta, had huge natural star power though. All my great movies were are in black, and white. I've noticed The Last Picture Show is on tv today. If you haven't seen it you must. Peter Bogdonovich captured a certain time in Texas brilliantly. All the actors did a phenomenal job. Billy is Timothy Bottons brother in real life. Have a good weekend guys.)
TaylorAlexander 5y ago
I mean, I wouldn’t miss it. I was a huge Bond fan my whole childhood and and young adult life. I think it gave me some really messed up ideas about the world. It took me a long time to unlearn what I had learned from the series, and I suffered in my life and relationships as a result of my beliefs. I know it’s too valuable a franchise and Hollywood would rather reinvent it. But we can also just say goodbye to our problematic past and create new heroes or even find new figures from the past to celebrate. It is okay to let go of our attachment to these things.
- TaylorAlexander 5y ago
  Sure folks! Don’t ask me why I feel this way. Don’t be curious. Just downvote!
rejectedandsad 5y ago
> And since the censors can't make their own PC movie that would outcompete Bond, they'll have to cancel it. Like the MCU? Fast and Furious? (Hobbes and Shaw was a fantastically silly, wonderful, Bond adjacent film for what it’s worth) Nobody’s canceling anything!
fergie 5y ago
The (early) Bond franchise played with class in a way that maybe isn't obvious to US audiences. At the time, casting Connery (a working class Scot) as Bond was roughly equivalent to casting an African American in a similar role in the US. Scottish voices were not really heard on the BBC, or any mainstream UK media. The whole premise of the early films is that he is a working-class guy who polishes up better than the toffs. This has to a greater or lesser degree been the case with the subsequent Bonds (notably Brosnan), and there have been persistent rumors that Idris Elba will be the next Bond, which would be fantastic casting and completely in keeping with the aesthetic of the franchise.

by akomtu 5y ago

setpatchaddress 5y ago

You really need to stop watching Fox News. It is poisoning your brain. No one other than Twitter grifters thinks the way you seem to think they do. - A Bond of color is probably an inevitability. - Bond is usually incredibly incompetent and succeeds in spite of himself through sheer luck.

asguy 5y ago
> You really need to stop watching Fox News. It is poisoning your brain. What’s the point of typing this out? When you write things like this do you think you’re going to convince anyone to change positions? Is it just to gain internet points? Imagine this as a response to your comment: > You really need to stop watching MSNBC. It is poisoning your brain. It’s like playing tennis. I’m replying because this type of stuff is so tiresome. It’s hard enough to avoid on the rest of the Internet; please don’t bring it to HN.
curtainsforus 5y ago
You agree with fox news on half of your points?
rejectedandsad 5y ago
The idea that he’s incredibly incompetent is revisionist. These movies aren’t deconstruction, and shouldn’t be. The fun is when he’s able to get out of tough situations in the spur of the moment (my favorites, like Goldfinger and For Your Eyes Only show him in credible danger several times). Interestingly, this is something the Mission Impossible series did perfectly in their last movie, better than almost all Bond movies. With that said, I really don’t think anybody is actually threatened by Bond being a white man. Like, people have lives to live.
- jhbadger 5y ago
  Although one thing that is true of the movies that is lampooned in the spy parody show "Archer", is that Bond doesn't seem to understand how to be a secret agent. Secret agents shouldn't go around drawing attention to themselves the way that Bond (and his parody Sterling Archer) do. And they certainly shouldn't go around introducing themselves using their real names!
  - rejectedandsad 5y ago
    The fact that he’s known seems to be inconsistent throughout the movies. Tiffany Case apparently knew who he was but not what he looked like, but a lot of other people had to look him up after giving his real name. He also does have a cover in some films, like St John Smythe in A View to a Kill

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago

Idris Elba is heavily favored on the internet as the next Bond. It’s on MGM (now Amazon) to push a more contemporary and progressive Bond. This isn’t dismissing the past “white” and stereotypical alpha male persona of Bond, but there’s plenty of room to move forward and bring Bond into the 21st century.

strictnein 5y ago
I'm a huge Bond fan and would love to see Elba as Bond, but I doubt he'll be chosen simply because he is too "old". Bond movies come out a little more slowly than other series and they'll want their next Bond to be able to do at least 3-5 movies. Starting with an actor who is almost 50 just doesn't seem to fit that schedule, unfortunately.
- CamperBob2 5y ago
  Starting with an actor who is almost 50 just doesn't seem to fit that schedule, unfortunately. Unless they're going to keep playing up the "I'm too old for this shit" angle, which was already starting to wear a little thin in Skyfall. That said, my guess is that Bond's ultimate fate is to become M. Obviously an older actor would be appropriate in that case.
rejectedandsad 5y ago
Nobody actually wants Elba. A few people fixated on one person even though there are a dozen more age appropriate candidates, white or black. The next Bond is more likely to be Cavill, Madden or hell John Boyega (*previously said Winston Duke, but he's American) than Elba.
hellbannedguy 5y ago
I've always felt Bond's success was due to Sir. Sean Connery. I don't think it was about race at all, it was about charisma. I even go further and say we would probally not have a Bond theatrical legacy, if it wasen't for Connery's decision to be an actor. Oh yea, Rolex owes so much advertising dollars to the estate of Connery. That iconic wrist shot sold millions of Oyster Subs. I repair watches part time. There are guys who bring me their overpriced broken watch, and when we meet at the door, I would swear they were brought up watching Bond movies. Most sub owners just want a working quality watch, but there are others that take on Connery's persona in little ways. Kinda like the young guys who wanted to be fighter pilots after watching Top Gun, or be Bud in Urban Coyboy, or living Tony's life after watching Saturday Night Fever. Most of you are probally to young, but after Saturday Night Fever, America became disco dancers. After Urban Cowboy, Stock brokers were doing the two step, and had a slight accent overnight. It was funny. And yes--I bought a polyester shirt. And yes--I bought cowboy boots. I let it go though. I'm embarrassed even writing about it. My point is certain charismatic actors are the reason certain films are great. The color of America is changing, and there will be actors that out shine some of our greats. (I am a total movie snob. I don't think Bond movies are magic. I do think Connery, and Travolta, had huge natural star power though. All my great movies were are in black, and white. I've noticed The Last Picture Show is on tv today. If you haven't seen it you must. Peter Bogdonovich captured a certain time in Texas brilliantly. All the actors did a phenomenal job. Billy is Timothy Bottons brother in real life. Have a good weekend guys.)

TaylorAlexander 5y ago

I mean, I wouldn’t miss it. I was a huge Bond fan my whole childhood and and young adult life. I think it gave me some really messed up ideas about the world. It took me a long time to unlearn what I had learned from the series, and I suffered in my life and relationships as a result of my beliefs. I know it’s too valuable a franchise and Hollywood would rather reinvent it. But we can also just say goodbye to our problematic past and create new heroes or even find new figures from the past to celebrate. It is okay to let go of our attachment to these things.

TaylorAlexander 5y ago
Sure folks! Don’t ask me why I feel this way. Don’t be curious. Just downvote!

rejectedandsad 5y ago

> And since the censors can't make their own PC movie that would outcompete Bond, they'll have to cancel it. Like the MCU? Fast and Furious? (Hobbes and Shaw was a fantastically silly, wonderful, Bond adjacent film for what it’s worth) Nobody’s canceling anything!

fergie 5y ago

The (early) Bond franchise played with class in a way that maybe isn't obvious to US audiences. At the time, casting Connery (a working class Scot) as Bond was roughly equivalent to casting an African American in a similar role in the US. Scottish voices were not really heard on the BBC, or any mainstream UK media. The whole premise of the early films is that he is a working-class guy who polishes up better than the toffs. This has to a greater or lesser degree been the case with the subsequent Bonds (notably Brosnan), and there have been persistent rumors that Idris Elba will be the next Bond, which would be fantastic casting and completely in keeping with the aesthetic of the franchise.