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Samsung should go to court with them, and they should also cease any plans to launch WP7 phones. Microsoft is like a leech in the smartphone industry. They saw

Samsung should go to court with them, and they should also cease any plans to launch WP7 phones. Microsoft is like a leech in the smartphone industry. They saw they can't make money with their own product, so they try to scare the little guys into paying up, to make it seem that they are right on this, and then go after the big guys, too. Even if using Android costs manufacturers the same as using WP7, why would they use it over Android, when Android is a very proven product in the market, while WP7 is not at all and it sits around 1% market share right now, and dropping. Does Microsoft think this will make consumers more likely to buy their phones? I think they are much more likely to get a lot of bad PR over this, because there are a lot of Android users and only a few WP7 users. This bad PR will focus negatively on their future products, like Windows 8. They are creating a negative halo effect around their products.

barredo 15y ago
> Samsung should go to court with them Yes. > and they should also cease any plans to launch WP7 phones Not quite. I guess you're asumming that WP7 phones are only beneficial to MSFT instead of both MSFT & Samsung. What if, i'm not saying it will happen and i find it unlikely, Google starts hardening the Android rules for new releases? Samsung, as well as other handset manufacturers, need to diversificate. Samsung has bada, but that's for mid, mid-low handsets. HTC & Motorola have nothing afaik (correct me if i'm wrong). > They saw they can't make money with their own product Yup > while WP7 is not at all and it sits around 1% market share right now, and dropping. I'm superinterested in smartphone stats, where's that dropping in WP7? it's not "super-growing", but it's not dropping either. > Does Microsoft think this will make consumers more likely to buy their phones? Consumers don't care about this.
- bad_user 15y ago
  Samsung has bada, but that's for mid, mid-low handsets Did you know that Samsung sold more Bada phones in 2011 Q1 than all WinMo 7 phones sold in that same quarter? Personally I think Microsoft is acting stupid. What will happen if Google wins the Oracle lawsuit? I'll tell you what happens - Android phone makers will grow big balls. And I don't think pissing off Samsung is smart.
  - jimbobimbo 15y ago
    Bada is in a different segment of mobile devices - not sure how you can compare WP7's sales with Bada's. "And I don't think pissing off Samsung is smart." Just see how it worked out for Apple.
    - bad_user 15y ago
      Bada is in a different segment of mobile devices - not sure how you can compare WP7's sales with Bada's. But they can be compared, as they are in the same market and more than that ... customers who purchased Bada phones, aren't able to purchase something else without a second contract for at least 1 year, or 2 years more commonly. I'm not sure how you can't compare WP7 sales with Bada, since one of them is clearly preventing sales for the other. Just see how it worked out for Apple. I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. Did I miss anything?
      - jimbobimbo 15y ago
        WP7 caters to people who shop a smart device (same public who'd look at iPhone and Android). Bada is more of a feature phone on steroids. Apple sues Samsung for look-and-feel copying. At the same time Samsung does a lot of hardware-related stuff for Apple.
- nextparadigms 15y ago
  Rumors are HP is going to license WebOS to Samsung. I think Samsung could run with WebOS, more than they ever did with WP7.
  - barredo 15y ago
    I'd love to have a Samsung Galaxy 2 with WebOS...
jimbobimbo 15y ago
Well, first off, people who're shopping for a new phone will hardly care whether Samsung is paying MS patent money or not - lay person will see phone ad, not someone's press release on a completely unrelated matter. Second, whether you like it or not, but Microsoft has had a lot of "firsts" in smart devices and tablets (whether brewed inside or acquired) and in the world with its existing patent system I can hardly hold their desire to leverage these firsts against Microsoft.
- MichaelApproved 15y ago
  They'll care if it increases the cost of their phone $10-$15.
  - jimbobimbo 15y ago
    On a $300-600 device? Really?
mcritz 15y ago
Samsung should go to court with them What happens if a judge rules in favor of a Microsoft injunction against selling Samsung-made Android phones? The trial could last years—or decades—and the whole time Samsung couldn't sell it's phones in the US.
- rbanffy 15y ago
  Let's hope judges are still capable of noticing an extortion racket when they see one.
- markokocic 15y ago
  I'm pretty sure that Samsung has enough patents to sue Microsoft in counter case and actually force them to negotiate.
  - Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
    You think a hardware company has a lot of patents Microsoft are currently breaching?
    - markokocic 15y ago
      MS is also doing hardware with Xbox and their mice.
- rlpb 15y ago
  Microsoft is already willing to license its patent to Samsung, and for a price that is known. If the court didn't issue an injunction, Microsoft would not really be harmed - if Samsung lost the case later it's quite clear what the damages would be and Microsoft have already made it clear that just financial compensation would be acceptable. If the court did issue an injunction, then Samsung could be irreparably harmed - and if Samsung subsequently win the case then it would be very difficult to make them whole again. IANAL. I don't see why any sensible court would issue such an injunction.
blub 15y ago
Samsung got screwed over by Google to the point of having to ship a phone with a defective gps. It makes a lot of sense for them not to put all eggs in one basket.
- seles 15y ago
  Could you elaborate on this please, how did google force samsung to release a phone with gps?
  - blub 15y ago
    They denied Samsung access to Skyhook, which was deeply integrated into a specific phone model. Samsung then pleaded to at least ship with Skyhook and remove it afterwards but Google denied them again with the threat of removing Android compatibility for that phone. This info was revealed in the Skyhook trial.

barredo 15y ago

> Samsung should go to court with them Yes. > and they should also cease any plans to launch WP7 phones Not quite. I guess you're asumming that WP7 phones are only beneficial to MSFT instead of both MSFT & Samsung. What if, i'm not saying it will happen and i find it unlikely, Google starts hardening the Android rules for new releases? Samsung, as well as other handset manufacturers, need to diversificate. Samsung has bada, but that's for mid, mid-low handsets. HTC & Motorola have nothing afaik (correct me if i'm wrong). > They saw they can't make money with their own product Yup > while WP7 is not at all and it sits around 1% market share right now, and dropping. I'm superinterested in smartphone stats, where's that dropping in WP7? it's not "super-growing", but it's not dropping either. > Does Microsoft think this will make consumers more likely to buy their phones? Consumers don't care about this.

bad_user 15y ago
Samsung has bada, but that's for mid, mid-low handsets Did you know that Samsung sold more Bada phones in 2011 Q1 than all WinMo 7 phones sold in that same quarter? Personally I think Microsoft is acting stupid. What will happen if Google wins the Oracle lawsuit? I'll tell you what happens - Android phone makers will grow big balls. And I don't think pissing off Samsung is smart.
- jimbobimbo 15y ago
  Bada is in a different segment of mobile devices - not sure how you can compare WP7's sales with Bada's. "And I don't think pissing off Samsung is smart." Just see how it worked out for Apple.
  - bad_user 15y ago
    Bada is in a different segment of mobile devices - not sure how you can compare WP7's sales with Bada's. But they can be compared, as they are in the same market and more than that ... customers who purchased Bada phones, aren't able to purchase something else without a second contract for at least 1 year, or 2 years more commonly. I'm not sure how you can't compare WP7 sales with Bada, since one of them is clearly preventing sales for the other. Just see how it worked out for Apple. I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. Did I miss anything?
    - jimbobimbo 15y ago
      WP7 caters to people who shop a smart device (same public who'd look at iPhone and Android). Bada is more of a feature phone on steroids. Apple sues Samsung for look-and-feel copying. At the same time Samsung does a lot of hardware-related stuff for Apple.
nextparadigms 15y ago
Rumors are HP is going to license WebOS to Samsung. I think Samsung could run with WebOS, more than they ever did with WP7.
- barredo 15y ago
  I'd love to have a Samsung Galaxy 2 with WebOS...

jimbobimbo 15y ago

Well, first off, people who're shopping for a new phone will hardly care whether Samsung is paying MS patent money or not - lay person will see phone ad, not someone's press release on a completely unrelated matter. Second, whether you like it or not, but Microsoft has had a lot of "firsts" in smart devices and tablets (whether brewed inside or acquired) and in the world with its existing patent system I can hardly hold their desire to leverage these firsts against Microsoft.

MichaelApproved 15y ago
They'll care if it increases the cost of their phone $10-$15.
- jimbobimbo 15y ago
  On a $300-600 device? Really?

mcritz 15y ago

Samsung should go to court with them What happens if a judge rules in favor of a Microsoft injunction against selling Samsung-made Android phones? The trial could last years—or decades—and the whole time Samsung couldn't sell it's phones in the US.

rbanffy 15y ago
Let's hope judges are still capable of noticing an extortion racket when they see one.
markokocic 15y ago
I'm pretty sure that Samsung has enough patents to sue Microsoft in counter case and actually force them to negotiate.
- Tyrannosaurs 15y ago
  You think a hardware company has a lot of patents Microsoft are currently breaching?
  - markokocic 15y ago
    MS is also doing hardware with Xbox and their mice.
rlpb 15y ago
Microsoft is already willing to license its patent to Samsung, and for a price that is known. If the court didn't issue an injunction, Microsoft would not really be harmed - if Samsung lost the case later it's quite clear what the damages would be and Microsoft have already made it clear that just financial compensation would be acceptable. If the court did issue an injunction, then Samsung could be irreparably harmed - and if Samsung subsequently win the case then it would be very difficult to make them whole again. IANAL. I don't see why any sensible court would issue such an injunction.

blub 15y ago

Samsung got screwed over by Google to the point of having to ship a phone with a defective gps. It makes a lot of sense for them not to put all eggs in one basket.

seles 15y ago
Could you elaborate on this please, how did google force samsung to release a phone with gps?
- blub 15y ago
  They denied Samsung access to Skyhook, which was deeply integrated into a specific phone model. Samsung then pleaded to at least ship with Skyhook and remove it afterwards but Google denied them again with the threat of removing Android compatibility for that phone. This info was revealed in the Skyhook trial.