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As long as there's a possibility of making more money by lying and cheating, people will lie and cheat. Especially when it's a lot more money. But I don't think

As long as there's a possibility of making more money by lying and cheating, people will lie and cheat. Especially when it's a lot more money. But I don't think there's any unemployment danger among CS PhD's to worry about. Unless they somehow managed to avoid learning how to use any tools or technologies of value to anyone. PhD's do not have to be at academia or a "top job" to be employed in a research or at least R&D capacity. By the way, tenured positions do not pay eye-watering salaries. It's still the same vicious low stakes.

StandardFuture 5y ago
> But I don't think there's any unemployment danger among CS PhD's to worry about This is why my comment specifically addressed top positions and tenured positions i.e., a position with a specific world-renown research group. Competition for the positions that putting all that time and effort into a PhD would be for. > employed in a research or at least R&D capacity. Sure, jobs exist. I am not seeing where I denied this fact anywhere. > tenured positions do not pay eye-watering salaries Tenure is what I am specifically referring too. It's a form of intellectual and economic freedom.
- unishark 5y ago
  So you want to restrict people from getting a phd unless they can get a top job out of it? What about people who want to do research but aren't worth the pay/responsibility of top jobs? Is your goal to increase the value of a phd by limiting it to highest quality people possible (like with MD's)? Tenure is a benefit that is given instead of money to keep you from leaving for more money. It may be nice to have late in your career if you want to keep working forever or bizarrely want to stay at your research-focused school but focus on teaching. But money adds up nicely and has more flexibility. And like with job offers and promotions everywhere, it's something you generally can only get if they need you more than you need them.

StandardFuture 5y ago

> But I don't think there's any unemployment danger among CS PhD's to worry about This is why my comment specifically addressed top positions and tenured positions i.e., a position with a specific world-renown research group. Competition for the positions that putting all that time and effort into a PhD would be for. > employed in a research or at least R&D capacity. Sure, jobs exist. I am not seeing where I denied this fact anywhere. > tenured positions do not pay eye-watering salaries Tenure is what I am specifically referring too. It's a form of intellectual and economic freedom.

unishark 5y ago
So you want to restrict people from getting a phd unless they can get a top job out of it? What about people who want to do research but aren't worth the pay/responsibility of top jobs? Is your goal to increase the value of a phd by limiting it to highest quality people possible (like with MD's)? Tenure is a benefit that is given instead of money to keep you from leaving for more money. It may be nice to have late in your career if you want to keep working forever or bizarrely want to stay at your research-focused school but focus on teaching. But money adds up nicely and has more flexibility. And like with job offers and promotions everywhere, it's something you generally can only get if they need you more than you need them.