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> China actually started releasing a human rights report on the US a few years back. This is exactly my point. Why would I be interested to read anything the C

> China actually started releasing a human rights report on the US a few years back. This is exactly my point. Why would I be interested to read anything the CCP has to put out when there is no freedom of the press in China? So long as we allow the CCP to have its equivalencies we will never know of the total harm inflicted and these people will die, erased. You have also neatly sidestepped my very first question asking where China's own schools are that teach these human abuses?

FooBarWidget 5y ago
When responding to criticism against China, people who point out that western countries human rights records are also very problematic, or people who point out that western propaganda is at work, are often accused of whataboutism. The reasoning is that misconduct by western countries doesn't make their criticism against China invalid. If we accept that, then the reverse should also apply: Misconduct by China doesn't make China's criticism against the US invalid.
- emptysongglass 5y ago
  How would you like me to respond? I have not declared any argument whataboutism. I am only interested in sources from governments which guarantees and exercises a free press. You cannot write a piece of paper in bad faith and declare it legitimate if you are the only source of legitimacy.
  - FooBarWidget 5y ago
    You could focus on what China actually accused the US of, and whether that accusation has a point, rather than on the fact that the accusation came from China. Where it comes from doesn't matter: only the content matters.
- simonh 5y ago
  Indeed, the blatant subtext of whataboutist arguments is that these things are ok, they're fine, they're normal and justifiable or should be, and here's a reason why.
swader999 5y ago
There's freedom of the press in USA?
- kmonsen 5y ago
  That is unironically written on a website hosted in the us were it is fully possible to write information as critical as you want about any American political party or more or less who you want.
  - swader999 5y ago
    That's freedom of expression.

FooBarWidget 5y ago

When responding to criticism against China, people who point out that western countries human rights records are also very problematic, or people who point out that western propaganda is at work, are often accused of whataboutism. The reasoning is that misconduct by western countries doesn't make their criticism against China invalid. If we accept that, then the reverse should also apply: Misconduct by China doesn't make China's criticism against the US invalid.

emptysongglass 5y ago
How would you like me to respond? I have not declared any argument whataboutism. I am only interested in sources from governments which guarantees and exercises a free press. You cannot write a piece of paper in bad faith and declare it legitimate if you are the only source of legitimacy.
- FooBarWidget 5y ago
  You could focus on what China actually accused the US of, and whether that accusation has a point, rather than on the fact that the accusation came from China. Where it comes from doesn't matter: only the content matters.
simonh 5y ago
Indeed, the blatant subtext of whataboutist arguments is that these things are ok, they're fine, they're normal and justifiable or should be, and here's a reason why.

swader999 5y ago

There's freedom of the press in USA?

kmonsen 5y ago
That is unironically written on a website hosted in the us were it is fully possible to write information as critical as you want about any American political party or more or less who you want.
- swader999 5y ago
  That's freedom of expression.