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This is what Tesla is doing with their solar roof product. They raised prices by 50% even though people already had signed contracts. All their communication is

This is what Tesla is doing with their solar roof product. They raised prices by 50% even though people already had signed contracts. All their communication is incredibly insidious, telling people that they need to sign the new contract, when in fact that’s false, in hopes of convincing customers to cancel their order. I can’t wait until a class action lawsuit rips them a new asshole at this point.

judge2020 5y ago
Contracts require consideration - as long as they didn’t charge you they don’t have to fulfill their end of the contract.
- deleted 5y ago
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- gruez 5y ago
  No? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract#Consideration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract#Consideration >Anything of value promised by one party to the other when making a contract can be treated as "consideration": for example, if A signs a contract to buy a car from B for $5,000, A's consideration is the $5,000, and B's consideration is the car.
- CPLX 5y ago
  That’s wildly incorrect. A failure of a contract for lack of consideration would be if there’s no exchange of value contemplated, ever. For example if I made a promise to provide you a valuable service for nothing in return. In this situation both sides agreed to exchange something of value so there’s obviously consideration. They could make an argument that no damages have occurred and claim you have no credible allegation of being harmed, but that’s a different thing and far from automatic.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    I realize I phrased that incorrectly, I meant that a contract is only worth something if you can sue over it, and with $0 in damages (maybe not given the homeowner might be able to be comp’d for time or for money spent getting the permits) it wouldn’t make sense to sue Tesla over it.
- dcolkitt 5y ago
  This isn't true. Any promise is sufficient for consideration. Cash doesn't actually have to change hands for a contract to be in effect. If this wasn't the case then every single financial futures contract or swap would be null and void. These contracts incur no cash flow on day one. They're merely a promise by one part to pay another based on some event in the future. If your legal theory was true, then one party could simply cancel any losses by voiding the contract as soon as the position moves against them.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    then you would only be able to sue over damages, and with a roof maybe your only damages are the time spent planning and getting the permits to get the roof done, but if TSLA hadn’t even started ripping off the roof then I don’t see what damages you could claim against them (TSLA’s legal team surely weighed the possibility of a class action lawsuit).
    - matsemann 5y ago
      The damage is one had a deal to pay X for a roof. If they can't fulfill their end of the deal, the damage is the difference between X and what have to be paid to get what was promised (either from them or a different provider). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_(law) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_(law)

judge2020 5y ago

Contracts require consideration - as long as they didn’t charge you they don’t have to fulfill their end of the contract.

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gruez 5y ago
No? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract#Consideration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract#Consideration >Anything of value promised by one party to the other when making a contract can be treated as "consideration": for example, if A signs a contract to buy a car from B for $5,000, A's consideration is the $5,000, and B's consideration is the car.
CPLX 5y ago
That’s wildly incorrect. A failure of a contract for lack of consideration would be if there’s no exchange of value contemplated, ever. For example if I made a promise to provide you a valuable service for nothing in return. In this situation both sides agreed to exchange something of value so there’s obviously consideration. They could make an argument that no damages have occurred and claim you have no credible allegation of being harmed, but that’s a different thing and far from automatic.
- judge2020 5y ago
  I realize I phrased that incorrectly, I meant that a contract is only worth something if you can sue over it, and with $0 in damages (maybe not given the homeowner might be able to be comp’d for time or for money spent getting the permits) it wouldn’t make sense to sue Tesla over it.
dcolkitt 5y ago
This isn't true. Any promise is sufficient for consideration. Cash doesn't actually have to change hands for a contract to be in effect. If this wasn't the case then every single financial futures contract or swap would be null and void. These contracts incur no cash flow on day one. They're merely a promise by one part to pay another based on some event in the future. If your legal theory was true, then one party could simply cancel any losses by voiding the contract as soon as the position moves against them.
- judge2020 5y ago
  then you would only be able to sue over damages, and with a roof maybe your only damages are the time spent planning and getting the permits to get the roof done, but if TSLA hadn’t even started ripping off the roof then I don’t see what damages you could claim against them (TSLA’s legal team surely weighed the possibility of a class action lawsuit).
  - matsemann 5y ago
    The damage is one had a deal to pay X for a roof. If they can't fulfill their end of the deal, the damage is the difference between X and what have to be paid to get what was promised (either from them or a different provider). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_(law) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_(law)