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Biology is consistent with science in the sense that there exists people called scientists in biology that do experiments utilizing the scientific method. In m

Biology is consistent with science in the sense that there exists people called scientists in biology that do experiments utilizing the scientific method. In math everything is purely theoretical conjecture. No hypothesizes, no testing, no observation, just derivations of theorems from axioms. Same with "Computer Science" it's all logic games. That's why mathematicians are not known as scientists. For computing, I believe the term "computer science" was likely mistakenly coined by someone who didn't know the full extent of the word "science."

huachimingo 5y ago
Modern math is more abstract. Old math, like the one from primary school, was more inspired on physical phenomena and interactions with previous things. We need more "clever guesses"(lets see what happens if A is B because C) and building up of theories in exercises. But that would not be rigourus...
redis_mlc 5y ago
> In math everything is purely theoretical conjecture. No hypothesizes, no testing, no observation, just derivations of theorems from axioms. Sorry, no. Your statement is quite ignorant of how mathematics works, and how mathematicians create new theorems and proofs - your description is actually backwards. Proofs often use axioms, but it's rare that somebody starts with a list of axioms and extends them to a higher-order theorem in a backwards fashion like some Prolog program. In advanced pure math (ie. analysis), we usually start with a novel conceptual diagram (hypothesis) and decide which fields and axioms apply, so it's very creative. The language of mathematics is used to express original ideas that usually spring from imagination. Some of the scenes in "Good Will Hunting" are pretty accurate, including the hallway blackboard, mirror and "flaming proof" scenes.
visarga 5y ago
> Same with "Computer Science" it's all logic games. Unlike math, it's domain related applications though. What are databases, codecs, regexes or neural nets - abstractions or concrete tools for specific uses? It's not all platonic.
- neonological 5y ago
  Domain related applications aren't what's studied by "Computer Scientists." You will note that most people who do "domain related" applications call them selves Software developers, Software engineers, etc. etc. If someone finds themselves calling themselves "Computer scientist" they are indeed usually exclusively studying the logic game.

huachimingo 5y ago

Modern math is more abstract. Old math, like the one from primary school, was more inspired on physical phenomena and interactions with previous things. We need more "clever guesses"(lets see what happens if A is B because C) and building up of theories in exercises. But that would not be rigourus...

redis_mlc 5y ago

> In math everything is purely theoretical conjecture. No hypothesizes, no testing, no observation, just derivations of theorems from axioms. Sorry, no. Your statement is quite ignorant of how mathematics works, and how mathematicians create new theorems and proofs - your description is actually backwards. Proofs often use axioms, but it's rare that somebody starts with a list of axioms and extends them to a higher-order theorem in a backwards fashion like some Prolog program. In advanced pure math (ie. analysis), we usually start with a novel conceptual diagram (hypothesis) and decide which fields and axioms apply, so it's very creative. The language of mathematics is used to express original ideas that usually spring from imagination. Some of the scenes in "Good Will Hunting" are pretty accurate, including the hallway blackboard, mirror and "flaming proof" scenes.

visarga 5y ago

> Same with "Computer Science" it's all logic games. Unlike math, it's domain related applications though. What are databases, codecs, regexes or neural nets - abstractions or concrete tools for specific uses? It's not all platonic.

neonological 5y ago
Domain related applications aren't what's studied by "Computer Scientists." You will note that most people who do "domain related" applications call them selves Software developers, Software engineers, etc. etc. If someone finds themselves calling themselves "Computer scientist" they are indeed usually exclusively studying the logic game.