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> The flight attendant lost two teeth in the assault, according to her union, and the passenger, who was identified by the police as Vyvianna Quinonez, 28, has

> The flight attendant lost two teeth in the assault, according to her union, and the passenger, who was identified by the police as Vyvianna Quinonez, 28, has been charged with battery causing serious bodily injury. She has also been barred for life from flying Southwest, the airline said. What the hell is wrong with people.

Robotbeat 5y ago
I think 2020 made everyone insane. Political chaos, conspiracy theories, isolation, racial injustice followed by reduced trust in authorities, reduced overall adherence to social norms due to fatigue from the pandemic, etc...
- adreamingsoul 5y ago
  Climate change is a catalyst for conflict.
  - akiselev 5y ago
    I don't think climate change has anything to do with a pressurized, climate controlled airliner.
    - AYBABTME 5y ago
      Not immediately but it creates changes in the suitability of systems that were designed for a different arrangement, leading to shifted economic dynamics, leading to people having their lives affected in various ways, leading to some people's lives turning upside down, leading to people in an airplane that are probably more primed to get angry than would be otherwise. Among a variety of things. Not saying climate change made this person act this way. EDIT: people seem to dislike this message for some reason. I'd be curious to learn why.
      - adreamingsoul 5y ago
        I think your message is fair and reasonable.
    - adreamingsoul 5y ago
      No, probably not directly. But could it be a catalyst for conflict?
  - rndmind 5y ago
    Absolutely this is a huge decisive factor, almost like the elephant in the room.
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- vecinu 5y ago
  I don't necessarily agree that we should use these events as scapegoats. We should truly push for more personal responsibility when it comes to behaving like a civilized member of society. Too often do we find people breaking the social contract of decency and being good to one and other.
chrischen 5y ago
Honest question, but if Southwest felt it necessary to ban this customer then why not other airlines? Was this a Southwest targeted attack?
- chronogram 5y ago
  Because it was on a Southwest flight. I don't think media asked KLM or Indigo if they'd like to have an extremist on their flights.
  - ryandrake 5y ago
    Honestly, if your behavior was bad enough to get you banned from one airline for life, you are a menace and should be banned from all of them. I don’t want to sit down next to someone on a Delta flight who assaulted a flight attendant on Southwest.
    - atq2119 5y ago
      Eh, some people are inherently violent. Many more people can be pushed to extremes given extreme circumstances. As long as you don't really know all the details, chances are good that people regret their actions and are going to learn from the event and change. Barring them from all possible flights for the rest of their life, which may yet last many decades, is likely to do more harm than good because it will cause resentment that can block this improvement in a person. By contrast, barring them from just one airline allows them to continue to live their life while also acting as a permanent reminder to be better.
      - oaiey 5y ago
        I would also argue that punishment by an organized monopoly situation (like airlines or tech giants) would create parallel structures to the law and order created by the nation states we created as the society. It would undermine the legal system.
      - ryandrake 5y ago
hourislate 5y ago
People are exhausted, emotionally, mentally, physically and it's going to get worse. Whatever is happening was already brewing, the Pandemic just expedited it. In this specific case, you put a bunch of already fragile people through TSA checkpoints, shitty airports, stuffed planes and they just can't take any shit anymore. It's not right what she did but I'm not surprised.
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  I have no sympathy for this lady (The attacker). I do believe we are going into a worse place than before Covid. Things for many Americans weren't so great before Covid, and I feel the misplaced anger when I'm out. I hope I'm wrong. I'm usually wrong predicting most things. I liked a few things over quarantine. Violent crime seemed to go down, and people seemed less stressed out in a weird ironic way. Personally, this opening is not the joyous event I imagined. Oh yea, the amount of new homeless people in my county is staggering. The authorities seemed a bit understanding for awhile. Now--I see cops harasssing them with vigor. I don't like it at all. I guess it makes sence. The wealthy got richer over Covid for the most part. The rest of us are confused, disenfranchised, and tired? Like before Covid?
  - Robotbeat 5y ago
    Violent crime wasn’t down, unfortunately, and it is actually going up.
mike_d 5y ago
Approximately 30% of the United States now lives in a world with a completely alternate set of facts. They discovered the more they shun any information that is inconvenient to their world truth, the more persecuted by the other 70% they become - which of course only reinforces how right they are.
- unixhero 5y ago
  Thank you for putting this into words.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  How is this relevant to the article and/or violence? Are the alternate facts you speak of ones to harm others? Sorry it’s just that what you’re saying is pretty vague
  - rejectedandsad 5y ago
    The implication is this increase in unruliness is caused by a small but vocal percentage of people refusing to wear masks for stupid reasons on airlines with mask requirements. It’s possible this isn’t the cause, and that the flying public is just significantly unruly now for some other reason that I’m not aware of. I heard the theory that the pandemic broke peoples brains and caused a rise in anti social behavior in multiple contexts but I don’t buy it yet.
    - jjj123 5y ago
      The article says 1900 of the 2500 unruliness complaints over the last year at one airline were due to people not wearing masks.
  - slenk 5y ago
    Towards the end of the article they cite masks as one of the contributing factors to the rise in violence. But the airline wants to make it clear that is definitely not the only cause.
  - hanniabu 5y ago
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Mountain_Skies 5y ago
Other media sources report witnesses claim the flight attendant was escalating the situation which hit a breaking point when the flight attendant started touching the passenger. If true, it certainly doesn't justify beating someone and knocking their teeth out, but does add some depth to the situation. Flight attendants have quite a bit of authority and leeway in how to handle situations with passengers but in the current tense environment, unless someone must be physically restrained, touching them is a bad idea.
- th0ma5 5y ago
  An airplane is not a democracy and federal laws even specify that passengers are to submit to the authority of airline employees.

Robotbeat 5y ago

I think 2020 made everyone insane. Political chaos, conspiracy theories, isolation, racial injustice followed by reduced trust in authorities, reduced overall adherence to social norms due to fatigue from the pandemic, etc...

adreamingsoul 5y ago
Climate change is a catalyst for conflict.
- akiselev 5y ago
  I don't think climate change has anything to do with a pressurized, climate controlled airliner.
  - AYBABTME 5y ago
    Not immediately but it creates changes in the suitability of systems that were designed for a different arrangement, leading to shifted economic dynamics, leading to people having their lives affected in various ways, leading to some people's lives turning upside down, leading to people in an airplane that are probably more primed to get angry than would be otherwise. Among a variety of things. Not saying climate change made this person act this way. EDIT: people seem to dislike this message for some reason. I'd be curious to learn why.
    - adreamingsoul 5y ago
      I think your message is fair and reasonable.
  - adreamingsoul 5y ago
    No, probably not directly. But could it be a catalyst for conflict?
- rndmind 5y ago
  Absolutely this is a huge decisive factor, almost like the elephant in the room.
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vecinu 5y ago
I don't necessarily agree that we should use these events as scapegoats. We should truly push for more personal responsibility when it comes to behaving like a civilized member of society. Too often do we find people breaking the social contract of decency and being good to one and other.

chrischen 5y ago

Honest question, but if Southwest felt it necessary to ban this customer then why not other airlines? Was this a Southwest targeted attack?

chronogram 5y ago
Because it was on a Southwest flight. I don't think media asked KLM or Indigo if they'd like to have an extremist on their flights.
- ryandrake 5y ago
  Honestly, if your behavior was bad enough to get you banned from one airline for life, you are a menace and should be banned from all of them. I don’t want to sit down next to someone on a Delta flight who assaulted a flight attendant on Southwest.
  - atq2119 5y ago
    Eh, some people are inherently violent. Many more people can be pushed to extremes given extreme circumstances. As long as you don't really know all the details, chances are good that people regret their actions and are going to learn from the event and change. Barring them from all possible flights for the rest of their life, which may yet last many decades, is likely to do more harm than good because it will cause resentment that can block this improvement in a person. By contrast, barring them from just one airline allows them to continue to live their life while also acting as a permanent reminder to be better.
    - oaiey 5y ago
      I would also argue that punishment by an organized monopoly situation (like airlines or tech giants) would create parallel structures to the law and order created by the nation states we created as the society. It would undermine the legal system.
    - ryandrake 5y ago

hourislate 5y ago

People are exhausted, emotionally, mentally, physically and it's going to get worse. Whatever is happening was already brewing, the Pandemic just expedited it. In this specific case, you put a bunch of already fragile people through TSA checkpoints, shitty airports, stuffed planes and they just can't take any shit anymore. It's not right what she did but I'm not surprised.

hellbannedguy 5y ago
I have no sympathy for this lady (The attacker). I do believe we are going into a worse place than before Covid. Things for many Americans weren't so great before Covid, and I feel the misplaced anger when I'm out. I hope I'm wrong. I'm usually wrong predicting most things. I liked a few things over quarantine. Violent crime seemed to go down, and people seemed less stressed out in a weird ironic way. Personally, this opening is not the joyous event I imagined. Oh yea, the amount of new homeless people in my county is staggering. The authorities seemed a bit understanding for awhile. Now--I see cops harasssing them with vigor. I don't like it at all. I guess it makes sence. The wealthy got richer over Covid for the most part. The rest of us are confused, disenfranchised, and tired? Like before Covid?
- Robotbeat 5y ago
  Violent crime wasn’t down, unfortunately, and it is actually going up.

mike_d 5y ago

Approximately 30% of the United States now lives in a world with a completely alternate set of facts. They discovered the more they shun any information that is inconvenient to their world truth, the more persecuted by the other 70% they become - which of course only reinforces how right they are.

unixhero 5y ago
Thank you for putting this into words.
endisneigh 5y ago
How is this relevant to the article and/or violence? Are the alternate facts you speak of ones to harm others? Sorry it’s just that what you’re saying is pretty vague
- rejectedandsad 5y ago
  The implication is this increase in unruliness is caused by a small but vocal percentage of people refusing to wear masks for stupid reasons on airlines with mask requirements. It’s possible this isn’t the cause, and that the flying public is just significantly unruly now for some other reason that I’m not aware of. I heard the theory that the pandemic broke peoples brains and caused a rise in anti social behavior in multiple contexts but I don’t buy it yet.
  - jjj123 5y ago
    The article says 1900 of the 2500 unruliness complaints over the last year at one airline were due to people not wearing masks.
- slenk 5y ago
  Towards the end of the article they cite masks as one of the contributing factors to the rise in violence. But the airline wants to make it clear that is definitely not the only cause.
- hanniabu 5y ago

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Mountain_Skies 5y ago

Other media sources report witnesses claim the flight attendant was escalating the situation which hit a breaking point when the flight attendant started touching the passenger. If true, it certainly doesn't justify beating someone and knocking their teeth out, but does add some depth to the situation. Flight attendants have quite a bit of authority and leeway in how to handle situations with passengers but in the current tense environment, unless someone must be physically restrained, touching them is a bad idea.

th0ma5 5y ago
An airplane is not a democracy and federal laws even specify that passengers are to submit to the authority of airline employees.