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Tesla's EPA numbers don't correlate well with real world results. On paper, the Tesla Model Y AWD Long Range (EPA range 326 miles) should have more range than

Tesla's EPA numbers don't correlate well with real world results. On paper, the Tesla Model Y AWD Long Range (EPA range 326 miles) should have more range than a Ford Mustang Mach-E AWD Extended Range (EPA range 270 miles). But in a real world test the Mach-E has more range: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSmSiOo-v8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSmSiOo-v8s Another test: https://insideevs.com/reviews/433010/tesla-model-y-70mph-highway-range-test/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/433010/tesla-model-y-70mph-hig... https://insideevs.com/reviews/502506/mustang-mach-e-70mph-range-test/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/502506/mustang-mach-e-70mph-ra... The Mustang Mach-E RWD California Route 1 trim should get more range again because AWD vehicles typically have lower range than FWD or RWD vehicles. And you should also try the route you want to drive with A Better Routeplanner. It should give you a pretty good idea about which vehicles will be suitable (both in range and charging options): https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ https://abetterrouteplanner.com/

toomuchtodo 5y ago
You’re never more than 100 miles to a Supercharger (fairly dense nationwide network), so even if you’re not getting the full range during a drive cycle, your charge will be quick and uneventful (on Tesla’s charger network).
- clouddrover 5y ago
  You want to go where the infrastructure is going. Tesla's proprietary plug is being out-invested by car manufacturers and charging networks using CCS plugs. Additionally, more state and federal subsidies will be going into public charging and this will only apply to chargers that charge all brands (which is as you'd expect). Examples: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/22/fact-sheet-biden-administration-advances-electric-vehicle-charging-infrastructure/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... https://www.nypa.gov/innovation/initiatives/evolve-ny https://www.nypa.gov/innovation/initiatives/evolve-ny The smartest thing Tesla can do in North America at this point is to switch to CCS (like they did in Europe two years ago) and to open their chargers to all brands of EV.
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    One might prefer to buy and own an EV that charges anywhere today, not 3-5 years from now, when public charging infra might have caught up to Tesla’s network (EVgo’s recent SEC filing indicates they will be in breach of their contract with GM at the end of June due to being 80~ charging stations short of their contractual obligations, allowing GM to break the charger deployment agreement with EVgo and seek ~$15 million in liquidated damages, for example; not good!). Tesla will open their network to other brands when other brands contribute to the $600 million+ capital investment Tesla made (as Tesla has previously stated publicly, and no automaker has taken them up on).
    - clouddrover 5y ago
      > One might prefer to buy and own an EV that charges anywhere today Too bad you're not in Europe then. Sorting out the charging infrastructure standards is one of the reasons Europe is the biggest EV market at the moment (stricter emissions standards being the other): https://insideevs.com/news/482202/europe-world-biggest-plugin-electric-car-market-2020/ https://insideevs.com/news/482202/europe-world-biggest-plugi... In the meantime, watch North American CCS locations grow here: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html New locations are being added every week. And try A Better Routeplanner to see what CCS charging infrastructure is like in your area. In some North American locations there are more CCS charging locations than Tesla charging locations. > Tesla will open their network to other brands when other brands contribute The way you "contribute" is by simply paying for the electricity when you use it. You know, just like how Telsa can use other charging networks.
      - toomuchtodo 5y ago
        I keep track of CCS chargers versus Superchargers in the US. There’s a reason we still own Teslas. Even when aggressively comparing other EVs to Tesla’s experience, they came up short. Tesla, in my opinion, is the least worst option based on all available information if you want an EV that isn’t tied to your home location (and you intend to travel far from home).

toomuchtodo 5y ago

You’re never more than 100 miles to a Supercharger (fairly dense nationwide network), so even if you’re not getting the full range during a drive cycle, your charge will be quick and uneventful (on Tesla’s charger network).

clouddrover 5y ago
You want to go where the infrastructure is going. Tesla's proprietary plug is being out-invested by car manufacturers and charging networks using CCS plugs. Additionally, more state and federal subsidies will be going into public charging and this will only apply to chargers that charge all brands (which is as you'd expect). Examples: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/22/fact-sheet-biden-administration-advances-electric-vehicle-charging-infrastructure/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... https://www.nypa.gov/innovation/initiatives/evolve-ny https://www.nypa.gov/innovation/initiatives/evolve-ny The smartest thing Tesla can do in North America at this point is to switch to CCS (like they did in Europe two years ago) and to open their chargers to all brands of EV.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  One might prefer to buy and own an EV that charges anywhere today, not 3-5 years from now, when public charging infra might have caught up to Tesla’s network (EVgo’s recent SEC filing indicates they will be in breach of their contract with GM at the end of June due to being 80~ charging stations short of their contractual obligations, allowing GM to break the charger deployment agreement with EVgo and seek ~$15 million in liquidated damages, for example; not good!). Tesla will open their network to other brands when other brands contribute to the $600 million+ capital investment Tesla made (as Tesla has previously stated publicly, and no automaker has taken them up on).
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    > One might prefer to buy and own an EV that charges anywhere today Too bad you're not in Europe then. Sorting out the charging infrastructure standards is one of the reasons Europe is the biggest EV market at the moment (stricter emissions standards being the other): https://insideevs.com/news/482202/europe-world-biggest-plugin-electric-car-market-2020/ https://insideevs.com/news/482202/europe-world-biggest-plugi... In the meantime, watch North American CCS locations grow here: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html New locations are being added every week. And try A Better Routeplanner to see what CCS charging infrastructure is like in your area. In some North American locations there are more CCS charging locations than Tesla charging locations. > Tesla will open their network to other brands when other brands contribute The way you "contribute" is by simply paying for the electricity when you use it. You know, just like how Telsa can use other charging networks.
    - toomuchtodo 5y ago
      I keep track of CCS chargers versus Superchargers in the US. There’s a reason we still own Teslas. Even when aggressively comparing other EVs to Tesla’s experience, they came up short. Tesla, in my opinion, is the least worst option based on all available information if you want an EV that isn’t tied to your home location (and you intend to travel far from home).