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This will work well in countries that have laws in the books where the ISP account holder is responsible for all activities performed using said account. Note:

by zizee 5y ago

This will work well in countries that have laws in the books where the ISP account holder is responsible for all activities performed using said account. Note: I think such laws are rediculous, but what liabilities is Amazon inviting to their users?

heavyset_go 5y ago
There's no law in the books like that in the US that I'm aware of, but law enforcement and courts will still go after whoever owns the account or systems that are involved in crimes.
- crooked-v 5y ago
  For a simple example of police incompetence in this regard in the US, see the family endlessly harassed by law enforcement entirely because their property happens to the be default result for "United States" in some databases: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/lawsuit-how-a-quiet-kansas-home-wound-up-with-600-million-ip-addresses-and-a-world-of-trouble/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/1...
peteretep 5y ago
Absolutely zero because it’s a tiny stream to Amazon’s servers and not sharing of internet
- Spivak 5y ago
  Yeah, the argument against this is that they’re using your bandwidth without asking. Pretty much everything else doesn’t hold much water.
- toyg 5y ago
  It's an obvious slippery slope. Once the network is established, they will likely start offering something like "Amazon Mesh" where Prime subscribers enjoy "additional free WiFi coverage all over the world", because it's just a no-brainer. They might cap speeds as a fraction of what the device enjoys (e.g. 20% max), as to not "disturb" the owner, but that's it. This has already been done by ISPs in several countries, Amazon is not breaking any ground here.
  - peteretep 5y ago
    > This has already been done by ISPs in several countries Nah, that’s not even a little bit the same. With the ISP versions they’re using _their_ bandwidth, not yours and they own every part of the user sign-on (making them, not you, responsible for abuse).
hanniabu 5y ago
Amazon is a company so they'll just pay lawyers and some under the table deals to make it go away.
judge2020 5y ago
Amazon devices already generally don't connect to domains other than Amazon's own - the voice service itself makes requests to Lambdas and other third-party APIs: > During setup, the Echo connects to a local wireless network. After that, it is in constant contact with Amazon’s cloud environment. In fact, if the Echo is not connected to the Internet, it does not work, because all the voice commands are processed in the cloud, and not locally on the device. https://www.napier.ac.uk/~/media/worktribe/output-2653851/using-amazon-alexa-apis-as-a-source-of-digital-evidence.pdf https://www.napier.ac.uk/~/media/worktribe/output-2653851/us...
theonemind 5y ago
> rediculous ridiculous

by zizee 5y ago

heavyset_go 5y ago

There's no law in the books like that in the US that I'm aware of, but law enforcement and courts will still go after whoever owns the account or systems that are involved in crimes.

crooked-v 5y ago
For a simple example of police incompetence in this regard in the US, see the family endlessly harassed by law enforcement entirely because their property happens to the be default result for "United States" in some databases: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/lawsuit-how-a-quiet-kansas-home-wound-up-with-600-million-ip-addresses-and-a-world-of-trouble/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/1...

peteretep 5y ago

Absolutely zero because it’s a tiny stream to Amazon’s servers and not sharing of internet

Spivak 5y ago
Yeah, the argument against this is that they’re using your bandwidth without asking. Pretty much everything else doesn’t hold much water.
toyg 5y ago
It's an obvious slippery slope. Once the network is established, they will likely start offering something like "Amazon Mesh" where Prime subscribers enjoy "additional free WiFi coverage all over the world", because it's just a no-brainer. They might cap speeds as a fraction of what the device enjoys (e.g. 20% max), as to not "disturb" the owner, but that's it. This has already been done by ISPs in several countries, Amazon is not breaking any ground here.
- peteretep 5y ago
  > This has already been done by ISPs in several countries Nah, that’s not even a little bit the same. With the ISP versions they’re using _their_ bandwidth, not yours and they own every part of the user sign-on (making them, not you, responsible for abuse).

hanniabu 5y ago

Amazon is a company so they'll just pay lawyers and some under the table deals to make it go away.

judge2020 5y ago

Amazon devices already generally don't connect to domains other than Amazon's own - the voice service itself makes requests to Lambdas and other third-party APIs: > During setup, the Echo connects to a local wireless network. After that, it is in constant contact with Amazon’s cloud environment. In fact, if the Echo is not connected to the Internet, it does not work, because all the voice commands are processed in the cloud, and not locally on the device. https://www.napier.ac.uk/~/media/worktribe/output-2653851/using-amazon-alexa-apis-as-a-source-of-digital-evidence.pdf https://www.napier.ac.uk/~/media/worktribe/output-2653851/us...

theonemind 5y ago

> rediculous ridiculous