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> Any student who doesn't want to go to high school can already do so by opting into home schooling if their parents agree and support that (and can provide re

by Zababa 5y ago

> Any student who doesn't want to go to high school can already do so by opting into home schooling if their parents agree and support that (and can provide resources). The whole point of public school is to not depend on "if their parents agree and support that (and can provide resources)." because it didn't work. > The article handwaves how exactly you would replace all of the non academic portions of high school by vaguely mentioning anecdotes. Which non academic portions of high school? And what they're mentioning is not anecdots, it's how extra curricular activites works in other countries. You don't go to them through high school, they're independant associations focused on a sport, an instrument or something. Where you can also get your social interactions. > Interestingly many people who have poor social skills wish to avoid people, but in reality that just delays the inevitable poor encounters you will have with others. You can have good social skills and not enjoy the company of other high schoolers. In that case forcing you to spend time with other high schoolers makes no sense at all. You're also free to walk away from most bad encounters later in your life, while you can't really walk away from bullying. I also don't see how high school does anything to teach social skills to people that don't have them. There's no courses for it, you can experiment with your classmates but failure can mean humiliation and bullying for the next 4 years. I don't think that's a good environment to develop a skill.

endisneigh 5y ago
> The whole point of public school is to not depend on "if their parents agree and support that (and can provide resources)." because it didn't work. By what criteria does it not work? > Which non academic portions of high school? And what they're mentioning is not anecdots, it's how extra curricular activites works in other countries. You don't go to them through high school, they're independant associations focused on a sport, an instrument or something. Where you can also get your social interactions. Other countries are setup differently than the USA. They have infrastructure for transporting children for example, infrastructure we do not necessarily have. > You can have good social skills and not enjoy the company of other high schoolers. In that case forcing you to spend time with other high schoolers makes no sense at all. You're also free to walk away from most bad encounters later in your life, while you can't really walk away from bullying. This is not true. You can be bullied at work. You could argue that you can switch jobs, but you can also switch schools. You can argue you can tell your manager, but you can also tell your teacher. In the end it's the same thing.
- Zababa 5y ago
  > By what criteria does it not work? Rates of literacy would be one. To be clear, what I'm saying is that public high school were made because parents couldn't/wouldn't/didn't agree and support and provide resources for their kids to go to school. If you want to build an alternative to public high school, you can't make it depend on parents having the money or will. > Other countries are setup differently than the USA. They have infrastructure for transporting children for example, infrastructure we do not necessarily have. Yeah, the lack of public transportation (or if it exists it can be very unsafe) in the USA is a big problem, but for people living in the city everything can be in walking distance. > This is not true. You can be bullied at work. You could argue that you can switch jobs, but you can also switch schools. Bullying at work is different than bullying at school. At school, adults tell you to learn to take it and stop reacting. At work, it's called harassment and the bully can be brought to justice. Also, I, as an adult, can switch jobs. I, as a child, had to depend on my parents to switch school. I wasn't the one that made the final decision. > You can argue you can tell your manager, but you can also tell your teacher. In the end it's the same thing. I can tell my manager, HR, contact the "anti harassment task force" or a lawyer. Most people are also more sensible about workplace harssment than bullying. Sure, maybe that's because I'm in a good company that has these resources, but considering how big bullying is, it's ridiculous that there isn't more resources at public schools (the first one being a viable alternative).

by Zababa 5y ago

endisneigh 5y ago

> The whole point of public school is to not depend on "if their parents agree and support that (and can provide resources)." because it didn't work. By what criteria does it not work? > Which non academic portions of high school? And what they're mentioning is not anecdots, it's how extra curricular activites works in other countries. You don't go to them through high school, they're independant associations focused on a sport, an instrument or something. Where you can also get your social interactions. Other countries are setup differently than the USA. They have infrastructure for transporting children for example, infrastructure we do not necessarily have. > You can have good social skills and not enjoy the company of other high schoolers. In that case forcing you to spend time with other high schoolers makes no sense at all. You're also free to walk away from most bad encounters later in your life, while you can't really walk away from bullying. This is not true. You can be bullied at work. You could argue that you can switch jobs, but you can also switch schools. You can argue you can tell your manager, but you can also tell your teacher. In the end it's the same thing.

Zababa 5y ago
> By what criteria does it not work? Rates of literacy would be one. To be clear, what I'm saying is that public high school were made because parents couldn't/wouldn't/didn't agree and support and provide resources for their kids to go to school. If you want to build an alternative to public high school, you can't make it depend on parents having the money or will. > Other countries are setup differently than the USA. They have infrastructure for transporting children for example, infrastructure we do not necessarily have. Yeah, the lack of public transportation (or if it exists it can be very unsafe) in the USA is a big problem, but for people living in the city everything can be in walking distance. > This is not true. You can be bullied at work. You could argue that you can switch jobs, but you can also switch schools. Bullying at work is different than bullying at school. At school, adults tell you to learn to take it and stop reacting. At work, it's called harassment and the bully can be brought to justice. Also, I, as an adult, can switch jobs. I, as a child, had to depend on my parents to switch school. I wasn't the one that made the final decision. > You can argue you can tell your manager, but you can also tell your teacher. In the end it's the same thing. I can tell my manager, HR, contact the "anti harassment task force" or a lawyer. Most people are also more sensible about workplace harssment than bullying. Sure, maybe that's because I'm in a good company that has these resources, but considering how big bullying is, it's ridiculous that there isn't more resources at public schools (the first one being a viable alternative).