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I grew up in a poor country with a lot of problems, however it gave me an extremely decent education up to the high school. My parents wouldn't have been able t
by notdang 5y ago
I grew up in a poor country with a lot of problems, however it gave me an extremely decent education up to the high school. My parents wouldn't have been able to do it alone.
So no, for me and my peers abolishing the high school wouldn't have been an option.
- adamnemecek 5y agoI'm not sure how old you are but I think that the internet has legit made formal education obsolete.
- grenoire 5y agoFormal education for certain things; there are a lot of other things that require you to be taught by somebody else, in person. Things that make up the physical infrastructure which we rely on, in particular. Nevertheless, it's not obsolete until we can reliably teach people how to teach themselves. We are far, far from that point. Access to knowledge is a teeny tiny part of the entire challenge.
- adamnemecek 5y agoSure, however the problem is that school as it works now is too time consuming and it doesn't feel like it uses my time wisely.
- zhdc1 5y agoIt hasn't. In person learning is still the way to go.
- MattGaiser 5y agoNo, as most people will not do it on their own without being forced to. Many others will cheat their way through and claim more than they actually know. We have solved the information access problem, but that was not the only barrier.
- staticassertion 5y agoDo you think people aren't cheating in school already? Cheating is primarily a symptom of mixed incentives. When the goal is to pass a test, cheating is the obvious, correct solution - you're an idiot if you don't cheat, frankly, if your goal is to get a good grade. If your goal is to learn, and failure is considered safe and a necessary part of the process, you'll never cheat. I strongly believe that human beings fundamentally want to learn. In fact, I'd generalize that to most intelligent life - learning provides a feeling of satisfaction. It is only in this nonsensical system where we conflate learning with grades that we can, through decades of abuse, start to not want to learn.
- ffffwe3rq352y3 5y agoI have an argument that I want to see what other people think of. Why is cheating bad? You say that they "claim more than they actually know" but that just doesn't hold up. If you try and get a job then you'll get fired, if you try and get into any sort of complex class without knowing anything you'll fail eventually. Cheating won't hold up in the long term. If it does then why does it matter? If you manage to score a CSC job (and hold it) without knowing a thing about it then you are qualified. I'm sure someone can tell me why I'm wrong but I can't think of it myself
- MattGaiser 5y ago> fail eventually. The problem with a trustless society is the high cost of it. Sure, people will fail, but far later in the process. So the doctor will fail, but instead of failing at the selection for medical school will fail when he actually must do procedures. So a lot of money was spent to train a useless doctor. Sure the employee will fail, but after you have paid then 10,000 and they have screwed up a lot of work.
- ffffwe3rq352y3 5y agoI personally don't think the monetary consequences would be very large. We have absolutely no idea how it would go but for me personally I'd probably just continue to learn normally and I bet a lot of other people would as well! However, having doctors working at 80% efficiency (Enough not to be fired but bad enough to kill some people) wouldn't be the best at all...
- the_only_law 5y agoThe internet has made formal education obsolete in the sense that a significant amount of material is now available for free and a little more available behind a paywall. But a vast majority of highly paid technical fields are highly credentialed, getting hand son experience in certain fields requires access to labs and equipment beyond the means of the average individual, etc.
- flatline 5y agoTo the author’s point, formal education is not so much about learning the curriculum, as about socialization. That doesn’t have to happen through school but you’ve got to get a group of people together somehow, and in the US that is through school. And it’s not a healthy environment, which does impact learning for everyone. It’s a little bit lord of the flies, but I don’t think the solution is to put everything online. And I know quite personally that a lot of kids (and adults) just don’t learn that way.
- adamnemecek 5y agoOk it fails at that then.
- jjtheblunt 5y agoYour comment made me immediately wonder if people over some certain age immediately disagree while those younger likely agree. If so, then the olders thing the assertion is naive and the youngers thing the olders have stale ideas. And the world keeps spinning, somehow amusingly as before.
- knolax 5y agoI think it's the other way around. Comment reads like an idealistic middle aged person idea to me. I don't know anyone under 30 who wouldn't immediately mock it.
- asdff 5y agoLet's look at what students who have lived under both systems over the course of this pandemic are really saying. For the most part, they feel much more engaged with in person instruction. https://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/students-learn-from-anywhere/ https://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/students-learn-from-anywher...
- tester756 5y agomaybe in computer science only
- Jorengarenar 5y agoDefinitely not. Sole programming? Yeah, absolutely. But CS is general? Nope.
- tester756 5y agostill way easier than e.g med, I guess
- wffurr 5y agoDid you read the article? It’s not about abolishing the education you get in high school, however scant in may be in some cases, it’s about abolishing the strict age segregation with all its toxic social effects.