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One thing I've been meaning to do for a while is try to use a 'hardcore' AOSP 'de-googled' Android rom, like ParanoidAndroid. I've no idea how much of a pain in

One thing I've been meaning to do for a while is try to use a 'hardcore' AOSP 'de-googled' Android rom, like ParanoidAndroid. I've no idea how much of a pain in the arse this will be. Heck, being rooted causes enough unexpected "why do you not work" moments for me. If anything, I feel Google has got more hostile to the privacy-conscious user over time. The trouble with privacy as a product is that it's _very_ hard to verify it. Apple has basically said "Trust us, We're Okay" and smaller fry are even harder to verify.

SuoDuanDao 5y ago
now i wonder to what degree apple's public refusal to unlock a particular phone for the FBI was a publicity stunt...
yosamino 5y ago
I've never run, willing or knowlingly, an android phone that has not been de-googlified as my main phone (since my n900 died in 2012 ... I miss it ). For my purposes, that works out well, there are, within reason, replacements for all the basics. And now that I have done it for so long, I don't really know how having an android phone with google works. The niche is big enough that something like https://microg.org/ https://microg.org/ exists that implements some of the core libraries for using google, without using google code. This enable installing some things from the playstore if neccessary ( I have not had the need - but I understand I am in a tiny minority ) - and it made it possible to install some corona contact tracing apps without having to rely on the google implementation. I am sure though, and I see it around me, that things won't continue exactly as before just without google, because of how deeply ingrained tracking everyone and everything all the time is. I don't know how hardcore you wanna get, but you might also want to take a look here https://e.foundation/ https://e.foundation/ , here https://lineageos.org https://lineageos.org and here https://f-droid.org https://f-droid.org There's like - dozens of us ...and thank you for reminding me of ParanoidAndroid. I've not tried them in a while.
user-the-name 5y ago
This kind of stuff is not, in general, possible to verify. You will always be trusting someone to be doing what they say they are doing. This isn't a bad thing. Society is built on trust. All it means is that there needs to be consequences for breaking that trust, to keep everyone honest.
gruez 5y ago
>One thing I've been meaning to do for a while is try to use a 'hardcore' AOSP 'de-googled' Android rom, like ParanoidAndroid. I used paranoid android in the past and it definitely isn't privacy focused. The name makes it sound it's privacy focused but that's about it.
Accacin 5y ago
Do it! I switched from iOS to a Google 4a last week, and have flashed my phone with CalyxOS. I was very tempted by GrapheneOS, but having microg built into Calyx has meant the very few apps I want that aren't on fdroid work perfectly fine for me (so far, these are my banking apps). CalyxOS turned out to be about perfect for my use case, and I've been incredibly happy with it. They have a flashing tool, which basically involved me plugging my phone into my laptop and running a script. Only thing I really needed to do was follow the prompts.

SuoDuanDao 5y ago

now i wonder to what degree apple's public refusal to unlock a particular phone for the FBI was a publicity stunt...

yosamino 5y ago

I've never run, willing or knowlingly, an android phone that has not been de-googlified as my main phone (since my n900 died in 2012 ... I miss it ). For my purposes, that works out well, there are, within reason, replacements for all the basics. And now that I have done it for so long, I don't really know how having an android phone with google works. The niche is big enough that something like https://microg.org/ https://microg.org/ exists that implements some of the core libraries for using google, without using google code. This enable installing some things from the playstore if neccessary ( I have not had the need - but I understand I am in a tiny minority ) - and it made it possible to install some corona contact tracing apps without having to rely on the google implementation. I am sure though, and I see it around me, that things won't continue exactly as before just without google, because of how deeply ingrained tracking everyone and everything all the time is. I don't know how hardcore you wanna get, but you might also want to take a look here https://e.foundation/ https://e.foundation/ , here https://lineageos.org https://lineageos.org and here https://f-droid.org https://f-droid.org There's like - dozens of us ...and thank you for reminding me of ParanoidAndroid. I've not tried them in a while.

user-the-name 5y ago

This kind of stuff is not, in general, possible to verify. You will always be trusting someone to be doing what they say they are doing. This isn't a bad thing. Society is built on trust. All it means is that there needs to be consequences for breaking that trust, to keep everyone honest.

gruez 5y ago

>One thing I've been meaning to do for a while is try to use a 'hardcore' AOSP 'de-googled' Android rom, like ParanoidAndroid. I used paranoid android in the past and it definitely isn't privacy focused. The name makes it sound it's privacy focused but that's about it.

Accacin 5y ago

Do it! I switched from iOS to a Google 4a last week, and have flashed my phone with CalyxOS. I was very tempted by GrapheneOS, but having microg built into Calyx has meant the very few apps I want that aren't on fdroid work perfectly fine for me (so far, these are my banking apps). CalyxOS turned out to be about perfect for my use case, and I've been incredibly happy with it. They have a flashing tool, which basically involved me plugging my phone into my laptop and running a script. Only thing I really needed to do was follow the prompts.