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Today women have jobs so that they could pay for cleaning, doing laundry or for daycare for their children. Financially it cancels itself out, but women get jus

by 988747 5y ago

Today women have jobs so that they could pay for cleaning, doing laundry or for daycare for their children. Financially it cancels itself out, but women get just as little time with their own children as men.

azinman2 5y ago
As if the only thing women want in life is to mother? Or that men never want to father given that women now can have a career that isn’t only low level?
- gsich 5y ago
  Most people don't have a "career". With that I assume that you want to become management or CEO. Everything else is just normal work. In that sense, exchanging motherly duties with meaningless work is not worth it.
  - midasuni 5y ago
    Being a teacher is a career. Being a doctor. Being a lawyer. Going into management and other paper pushing is pointless work sure, but many careers are very valuable and build upon skills and experience in that job with profession in that job as much as you want.
    - gsich 5y ago
      So your "career" is just "work" or "job". Which is fine, because everyone has a career then, even if you stay at home for your children.
  - azinman2 5y ago
    I have a good friend who is an architect, which is neither CEO or management, who wants to be able to express her trade but has very mixed feelings about the need to also mother. Even if retail or whatnot, having an identity outside of the home to give you self worth isn’t exactly unique to C-level execs. I think it’s quite patronizing to assume that’s the only route to self-actualization.
    - gsich 5y ago
      I don't know why people think that being a mother is somewhat bad.
      - azinman2 5y ago
        Perhaps I worded that wrong. When I said mixed feelings about the need to mother, I mean the pull where society says she must choose between career and mothering, and that it’s selfish for her to choose more time working. Yet this is of course never done for the husband who is assumed to by default be the one that can and should choose work over fathering. The larger point being that 2 parents working to cover child care costs seems impractical from a viewpoint that looks at that net, but that would exclude the fact that many people define identity, societal productivity, fulfillment and even enjoyment from their jobs outside the home. It’s also means that you can continue advancing in your career so that when you don’t need full time child care you’re in a stronger position. Many women who leave work for years to parent have a very hard time getting hired.
- midasuni 5y ago
  The point is rather than having 2 parents working 5 days a week between them, it’s 2 parents working 10 days a week (and maybe more) They need to do this because the house that was affordable on one salary in the 80s now requires 2 salaries and childcare Not everyone is like that, but I had to explain why we didn’t have childcare costs when we took a mortgage put last week (I work as in the original point - I work from home, I take the kids to school for 0830 and pick them up at 1530, in between I do things like the dishwasher (while boiling the kettle or making lunch) and do what I deem enough hours to fulfil the goals of my department.

by 988747 5y ago

azinman2 5y ago

As if the only thing women want in life is to mother? Or that men never want to father given that women now can have a career that isn’t only low level?

gsich 5y ago
Most people don't have a "career". With that I assume that you want to become management or CEO. Everything else is just normal work. In that sense, exchanging motherly duties with meaningless work is not worth it.
- midasuni 5y ago
  Being a teacher is a career. Being a doctor. Being a lawyer. Going into management and other paper pushing is pointless work sure, but many careers are very valuable and build upon skills and experience in that job with profession in that job as much as you want.
  - gsich 5y ago
    So your "career" is just "work" or "job". Which is fine, because everyone has a career then, even if you stay at home for your children.
- azinman2 5y ago
  I have a good friend who is an architect, which is neither CEO or management, who wants to be able to express her trade but has very mixed feelings about the need to also mother. Even if retail or whatnot, having an identity outside of the home to give you self worth isn’t exactly unique to C-level execs. I think it’s quite patronizing to assume that’s the only route to self-actualization.
  - gsich 5y ago
    I don't know why people think that being a mother is somewhat bad.
    - azinman2 5y ago
      Perhaps I worded that wrong. When I said mixed feelings about the need to mother, I mean the pull where society says she must choose between career and mothering, and that it’s selfish for her to choose more time working. Yet this is of course never done for the husband who is assumed to by default be the one that can and should choose work over fathering. The larger point being that 2 parents working to cover child care costs seems impractical from a viewpoint that looks at that net, but that would exclude the fact that many people define identity, societal productivity, fulfillment and even enjoyment from their jobs outside the home. It’s also means that you can continue advancing in your career so that when you don’t need full time child care you’re in a stronger position. Many women who leave work for years to parent have a very hard time getting hired.
midasuni 5y ago
The point is rather than having 2 parents working 5 days a week between them, it’s 2 parents working 10 days a week (and maybe more) They need to do this because the house that was affordable on one salary in the 80s now requires 2 salaries and childcare Not everyone is like that, but I had to explain why we didn’t have childcare costs when we took a mortgage put last week (I work as in the original point - I work from home, I take the kids to school for 0830 and pick them up at 1530, in between I do things like the dishwasher (while boiling the kettle or making lunch) and do what I deem enough hours to fulfil the goals of my department.