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> The problem isn't RowHammer, the problem is lack of ECC. This is mostly Intel's fault, as they cripple their consumer CPU lines to disable ECC for market segm
by Zenst 5y ago
> The problem isn't RowHammer, the problem is lack of ECC. This is mostly Intel's fault, as they cripple their consumer CPU lines to disable ECC for market segmentation purposes.
Whilst Intel did play a part, when they offered it as standard the uptake in the consumer market was low and the price factor and need at most consumer level was not there.
Today it is there, though the consumer mindset is unaware of it and I do foresee a time in which either some in-the-wild exploit that makes media traction and they roll with it event. Then there will be a sudden panic rush with media rhetoric akin to the run-up to Y2K and drama headlines how everybody needs to buy a new computer. Now if that happened - Intel on the desktop would sure take a wack as it is currently.
Then the whole supply and demand aspect that factors into the cost and alas - until there is some mass consumer awareness.
Well, until then for the majority consumers, computer memory is just computer memory and for most of those, they don't even look into things like memory speed or dual-channel memory even. Which see's your DELL's et all selling systems with one large stick of RAM even today as your average consumer just don't know any better. So the move to ECC for consumers will need en event or large player marketing it. Maybe a balance of the two.
Just the aspect of size of memory today in computers, let alone density and speeds, bit errors become far more likely and that is without the security aspects at play. So for stability alone ECC is becoming more and more justifiable.
- rasz 5y agoPlease, The ONLY time Intel offered ECC as standard on its products was during brief 486 period when all chipsets the offered were considered highend and their chipset market share was in single digits. ECC was standard on first IBM PC 5150, on PS/2 line, on pretty much all 286 clones etc. Intel market segmentation shenanigans started around 1995 with Pentium line, with ECC absent from all consumer oriented product lines.
- Zenst 5y agoTrue, the whole dip into RAMBUS kinda saw them shift things and when they came back to less niched out RAM, they split things business and consumer. however, been some odd glimmer of hope for the cheaper end for ECC suport from Intel - https://www.truenas.com/community/threads/surprise-surprise-kaby-lake-pentiums-support-ecc.54748/ https://www.truenas.com/community/threads/surprise-surprise-... What really needs to happen is all these AMD Ryzen users to buy into ECC, help get the price down and more so, push Intel in another tickbox catchup in that market.
- rasz 5y agoIntel cut ECC from its consumer chipsets almost 10 years before Rambus.