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Despite Pyolite has a miserable performance (20MB of downloads), the overall project direction is correct. I said this already 10 years ago: We don't need more
by ktpsns 5y ago
Despite Pyolite has a miserable performance (20MB of downloads), the overall project direction is correct.
I said this already 10 years ago: We don't need more cloud computing but need to empower users end devices again. Jupyter is typically operated on powerful notebooks and not on mobile devices.
- atoav 5y agoThe solution I use for local jupyter notebooks is nteract [0] which is like a standalone application that can edit/open .ipynb files. It has a few quirks, but works quite good for daily use. [0] https://nteract.io/ https://nteract.io/
- ipsum2 5y agoWhat do you like about nteract over Jupyter's frontend? The website is devoid of details.
- rerx 5y agoIt's convenient to directly open a notebook from a browser download or a slack message without having to fire up jupyter in a terminal and navigate it to that temp file.
- codefreakxff 5y agoI use vscode to open and run notebooks using the jupyter plugin. Works great. Don’t need to fire up the browser
- rdedev 5y agoVscode is now my go-to for opening and running notebooks. The issue I had with the normal jupyter was it it's support for normal python files were bad. With vscode I can work on both normal python files and notebook files in the same window without much overhead
- Godel_unicode 5y agoPycharm is also excellent at this. My biggest problem with the normal jupyter interface is years of reflex that Ctrl+w is for deleting words. Quite annoying in a web browser.
- rerx 5y agoYeah, that's exactly the same reasoning. Because it's more convenient you run your notebooks in a dedicated tool. Nteract or Vscode or Pycharm..
- atoav 5y agoI like that it is a standalone notepad.exe-like program that opens my notebook and just works. I usually use it more for looking at notebooks than writing them tho.
- kzrdude 5y agovscodium can also open ipynb files, to give an alternative. I try to work mostly with "py:percent" script files now, in the same jupyter notebook style but without saving outputs.
- aiNohY6g 5y agoSimilar to jupyterlite: https://starboard.gg/jupystar https://starboard.gg/jupystar (and https://starboard.gg https://starboard.gg)
- croes 5y agoIsn't that not just Java all over again, but this time with JavaScript?
- fmajid 5y agoNo, WASM gets compiled to native code
- youngtaff 5y agoJava bytecode got translated to native too Think we've just got better at runtimes over time (JIT, intermediate formats etc.) and WASM was designed to be good for this rather than needed to work with an already exising bytecode
- fmajid 5y agoReflection and other language features preclude direct translation of Java bytecode to machine code, whereas WASM is designed to be a portable assembly language, closer to the IL of GCC or LLVM.
- _old_dude_ 5y agojava -XX:+PrintCompilation prints all methods/loops generated to native code The reflection API has two issues, a security check each time you call a method and the arguments being transformed to objects. The code is still generated to assembly code but the assembly code is slower because of that overhead.
- pjmlp 5y agoJava and Flash, but now it is Good (TM), because the powers that be decided so. "Everything Old is New Again: Binary Security of WebAssembly" https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity20/presentation/lehmann https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity20/presentat... So, enjoy the 2nd coming of applets/flash, https://platform.uno/ https://platform.uno/ https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/aspnet/web-apps/blazor https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/aspnet/web-apps/blazor https://tinygo.org/ https://tinygo.org/ .... favourite stack compiled into WASM.
- throwaway894345 5y ago> I said this already 10 years ago: We don't need more cloud computing but need to empower users end devices again. Jupyter is typically operated on powerful notebooks and not on mobile devices. If you’re working with data of any significant size at all it then it doesn’t matter how fast your user device is—it’s so much cheaper (time and network egress costs) to send the computations from a user device to the cloud than to pull tens-thousands of GB of data to your local machine. Moreover, I don’t know of many local machines with tens of CPU cores, hundreds or thousands of GB of RAM, or tens-hundreds of TB of SSD for handling that computation quickly. User devices are great for very small data, but I don’t see the point for larger datasets.
- OldTimeCoffee 5y agoMost users don't have 'tens-thousands' of GB of data as part of their use case. You're describing a business case, not an end user consumer case.
- throwaway894345 5y agoI don’t believe that the majority of Jupyterhub users are “consumers” rather than professionals, but more importantly, that doesn’t change the fact that the professional use case exist and isn’t amenable to the fat client approach. As an anecdote, I work on a Jupyterhub managed service offering with customers in both the private and public sectors and our data sizes are pretty much all in this range.
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- mrtesthah 5y ago> I work on a Jupyterhub managed service offering ... That sounds like selection bias.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
- jcims 5y agoUnfortunately we will need more cloud computing. If you're watching what's going on in the ransomware and cyber insurance space, small and many medium-sized companies that require E&O coverage for their contracts are not going to be able to afford to run on their own equipment.
- Godel_unicode 5y agoGood. People who are bad at administering computers will stop doing it, and will focus on what they're good at. Then, we can use the on-demand nature of cloud services to reduce their power consumption. Simultaneously we can move that consumption into renewable-powered datacenters. This is literally better for everyone.
- jcims 5y agoMeanwhile we create tremendous concentration risk and the world pays rent to Amazon, Google and Microsoft? I wouldn't call that 'good'.
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- Godel_unicode 5y agoI don't understand your argument, people should do things they're bad at to keep some other company from getting too big? And oh by the way they'll now probably be using more and less sustainable power, but at least they'll be less secure. That sounds like a very high price to pay for ideological purity...