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Submerged Italian Village Resurfaces After 70 Years Underwater
- rudolfwinestock 5y agoHere are more examples. https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/new-york/sunken-town-ny/ https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/new-york/sunken-town-ny/ The state of New York has several towns submerged under artificial lakes created to give water to New York City.
- pfdietz 5y agoGilboa is the one I've heard about. When they were building the dam there, a quarry (to get rock to face the dam) unearthed a world-famous Lagerstätte of Devonian era fossilized trees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilboa_Fossil_Forest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilboa_Fossil_Forest
- DonaldFisk 5y agoA submerged town in Argentina resurfaces: https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/07/the-ruins-of-villa-epecuen/100110/ https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/07/the-ruins-of-villa...
- totalZero 5y agoHere's a short film about the gentleman who returned: https://vimeo.com/88706281 https://vimeo.com/88706281
- cbmuser 5y agoOne of the many examples how large hydropower plants destroy the environment. That’s why nuclear is the better option these days: It’s low-carbon, capable of baseload and provides large amounts of energy without the need to destroy large patches of land.
- donjoe 5y ago> without the need to destroy large patches of land. As long as you do not have uranium mines in your own back yard.
- _Microft 5y agoThat‘s a false dichotomy. It’s not just hydropower OR nuclear power. There are other possible power sources. Beside that, here are image searches for „uranium mining“ if you are unaware of its environmental effects. https://www.google.de/search?q=uranium+mining&tbm=isch https://www.google.de/search?q=uranium+mining&tbm=isch https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=uranium+mining https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=uranium+mining
- forrestthewoods 5y agoMy understanding is that if you dammed every river in the US worth damming for hydro it wouldn’t even cover a quarter of current energy needs. I tried a quick Google and couldn’t find anything to back that up though. So I could be wrong. I’m pretty sure hydro is a dead end. It can’t supply our needs today, much less in the future. And they’re environmental disasters both upstream and downstream.
- nicodds 5y agoThat is not completely true. Thermodynamics tells that, overall, to produce energy, you must spend a lot more energy. You may think to the nuclear plant: it doesn't build by itself, you produce lots of environmental pollution to get it
- alex_duf 5y agoThere's an amazing French TV show called "The Returned" loosely inspired from an alpine lake with a submerged town underneath. (Don't watch the American remake, watch the french one with subtitles) The pitch being: people thought to be long dead start re-appearing. A twin sister thought to be dead comes back, except her sister had the time to be a teenager by now, so one looks the same as when she "died" and the other carried on living her life. How do you re-instate someone in a society when they've been declared dead? What will the neighbours think? She's scared, hungry, and never sleeps. Then more people re-appear.
- mseepgood 5y agoThere's also a Netflix show called "Curon".
- bryanrasmussen 5y agoIs Curon a Returned remake?
- Jiocus 5y agoFrom the article, “The eerie drowned village inspired a 2018 novel, Resto Qui by Italian author Marco Balzano, and a 2020 Netflix thriller television series, ‘Curon.’” “A woman returns to her childhood home in northern Italy, which triggers terrifying hauntings” (IMDb, Curon 2020).
- dopidopHN 5y agoHa. Good show indeed.
- peoplefromibiza 5y agoFun facts about Les Revenants: - the main location is the city of Annecy, in South-east France, on the exact oposite side of the Alps were the city of the post is - the underwater scenes were shot in Italy, precisely in the Tirino river in the small town of Capistrano, in central Italy (in the province of Aquila, Abruzzo region)
- mkl 5y agoTo someone in a country with a tiny handful of its oldest buildings as much as 200 years old (NZ), the idea of drowning a bell tower built in the 1300s seems totally insane. I guess Italy has a lot of old buildings, and Mussolini & co. didn't care about these ones. New Zealand has rebuilt (parts of) at least one town higher up to make a hydro lake (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwell,_New_Zealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwell,_New_Zealand), but didn't drown anything like as old or significant.
- tlamponi 5y ago> I guess Italy has a lot of old buildings, and Mussolini & co. didn't care about these ones. Yes and no, while Italy has lots of old buildings, that wasn't the reason here to overlook destroying those. Rather, this was the newly annexed province with a population speaking natively German (or better a German dialect related to the Bavarian one). Mussolini tried hard to subdue the population, forbidding also to teach German in schools for a time, which resulted in the "Katakombenschulen", schools in the underground which taught childern in German secretly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakombenschule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakombenschule So where to carry out destructive projects to build power plants and the-like than in the freshly annexed area? Mussolini moved lots of Italians from the south to that area to enforce Italianisation, those people often were forced to do so and coming from a totally different climate they struggled with the harsh winters in the mid of the Alps. Quite the messed up period which lasted, at least to some degree, even after Mussolini's death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italianization_of_South_Tyrol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italianization_of_South_Tyrol
- jaclaz 5y agoWell, without any kind of language or racial conflict, we (in Italy) do have a few such villages (or anyway buildings/farms/etc.) that were submerged when building new basins/artificial lakes (for hydro power plants or for regulating rivers, etc.). One example in Tuscany: https://www.vaglipark.it/territorio/il-lago-e-il-paese-fantasma/ https://www.vaglipark.it/territorio/il-lago-e-il-paese-fanta... The basin was due to be emptied for the first time in 2021 (after last time in 1994) but will probably be postponed to 2022. If you think about it, it is pretty much "normal", ancient villages were either built on top of hills (that guaranteed better defense) or in the middle of valleys crossed by a river (that guaranteed water in abundance). You build dams to use the valley as basin, so if there is a village/bulding in it it all depends on the current (at the time of the project) architectural/landscape/historical sensibility of the society to either abandon the project, move/relocate the buildings ( like to make a famous reference Abu Simbel in Egypt) or submerse everything. As another (small) example in Tuscany, when the lake of Bilancino was built in the 1980's, everything in the valley was submersed (to be fair very few buildings of dubious historical value existed in the area) but a monumental gate was moved on another area, at a higher level: https://mapio.net/pic/p-29646863/ https://mapio.net/pic/p-29646863/
- tlamponi 5y agoDidn't expect it to be /the/ South Tyrolean village, but figures, there only that many provinces that Italy annexed and tried to screw over locals, basically the five which nowadays have somewhat autonomy (after years of fight, both peaceful and also not so peaceful): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Italy#Autonomous_regions_with_special_statute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Italy#Autonomous_re... Disclaimer: I'm South Tyrolean and nowadays the relation with the Italian gov. is quite good, which we probably can only thank the fact that the long fight got us that right reserved in the constitution itself, else one of the right wing administrations (e.g., Silvio Berlusconi in the 90s) would have dismantled it all, they tried but constitution rights are well protected. Anyway, the view with the submerged church in Reschensee is something one doesn't view every day, I'd recommend visiting once it dooable again, there are many nice places in South Tyrol and also in the neighbouring provinces, be it the Italian, Austrian or Swiss ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reschensee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reschensee
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago> that Italy annexed and tried to screw over locals, As an Italian: partial and partisan historic summaries do more harm than good.
- peoplefromibiza 5y agoto expand a little bit: the annexion of the South Tyrol area dates back to 1920, after the first World war. Skipping the previous heavy germanization of a Roman region, there was the forced Italianisation during the fascist regime in Italy, which is not exactly Italy screwing over locals, but a tyranny trying to screw over everyone, including Italians. South Tyrol has been ruled an independent region in 1946, after WW2 by the Italian authorities and definitely granted the status in the 70s of the past century by the UN. So they have been an autonomous region for at least 50 years. Quoting OP «nowadays the relation with the Italian gov. is quite good» can be translated to «they have been good for a long time». I know there are still irredentists who still see themselves as part of the Austro-Hungarian empire, but, honestly, I believe they should move on. Anyway, talking about it here it's completely off topic as per HN guidelines «Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.»