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Tesla Will Have to Ship Its Texas-Built Cars Out of State to Sell Back to Texans

31 points by belltaco 5y ago

fmakunbound 5y ago
The legislature spent the whole season enacting religious, right-wing culture stuff.
vmception 5y ago
> There are workarounds, some detailed on forums within Tesla’s own website. The company has more than a dozen Texas “galleries,” where cars can be viewed and described—though staffers may not discuss prices. Sounds like that chills speech and expression I think I found a way to change the law guys
- supertrope 5y ago
  First Amendment protection of commercial "speech" is weaker than that for political speech or artistic expression.
  - vmception 5y ago
    Just hasn’t been challenged enough. Every case expanding commercial speech protections was about some silly state law being challenged in Federal courts, with the court acting as a supreme legislature that Congress wouldn’t dare to do (because Congress derives its power from cohesion of the states, whereas the courts do not and reach the Supreme Court).
devoutsalsa 5y ago
This sounds like a great application for self driving cards at robot power charging stations. Have the car drive itself out of state & back in!
sschueller 5y ago
What kind of ridiculous government meets this infrequently? How is this considered to be in the interest of the public and democratic? January to May every other year seems insane.
- betwixthewires 5y ago
  The idea is that legislating should not be a full time job. So legislators meet every couple of years and consider how existing law has worked for the people of the state and then change the laws as needed. The governor can call a special session if something pressing needs to be addressed. I think it is a good system, we see the effects of politicking being a profession in DC, also when you're spending all your time making laws you tend to make too many of them. Texas isn't perfect and has a few unjust or otherwise inappropriate laws, but their system works for them and the hundreds of thousands of other people who move there every year.
  - vb6sp6 5y ago
    It's a bad system imo. State house reps only make 7200 a year. Which means legislators need other income. And they also need 6 months off every two years. The only people I know that can do that are extremely wealthy.
    - brailsafe 5y ago
      I haven't made 7200 in the last year or worked at all, and I'm poor af as result :)
    - betwixthewires 5y ago
      Well, you can disagree with it if you want, but look at the results. They seem to be happy with it, and I do like the idea that making laws should not be a full time job. What sort of system do you think makes more sense?
      - vb6sp6 5y ago
        Results of what? Texas isn't some magical place that works better than any other large state. And you could make the argument that it can be worse than other states. For example, hurricane Harvey brought on major flooding in 2017. It took them two years to come up with something to try and help (prop 8 2019) because they aren't there working.
ibeckermayer 5y ago
The More Laws, The Less Justice.
killingtime74 5y ago
They should turn the Tesla showrooms into Gun shops, then they won’t have any issues
CogitoCogito 5y ago
"Tesla sure would appreciate changing the law, so that this is not required!" -Elon Musk in the tweet linked in the article Quite disingenuous. Certainly it's not required. Tesla could still sell through dealers of course.
- belval 5y ago
  I hate dealers so much I am happy that they are taking a stand against them. No reason why I should pay a premium to have a lousy experience with some guy trying to sell extras and jack up the price before signature. A lot of them a straight up predatory on poor people as well so if their industry could disappear overnight I would not mind.
- DarmokJalad1701 5y ago
  Oh yea. Sitting in a waiting room for hours drinking shitty coffee while the guy you are talking to goes "in the back" to talk to his manager to see if he can "work out a deal" on the car you want to buy. Wonderful experience! 10/10!
mensetmanusman 5y ago
They should partner with local embassies who would get free publicity for helping show america how to have a free(er) market. Tesla’s go to x-istan across the street, have public ceremony, then it drives out getting sold. ha

31 points by belltaco 5y ago

The legislature spent the whole season enacting religious, right-wing culture stuff.

> There are workarounds, some detailed on forums within Tesla’s own website. The company has more than a dozen Texas “galleries,” where cars can be viewed and described—though staffers may not discuss prices. Sounds like that chills speech and expression I think I found a way to change the law guys

supertrope 5y ago
First Amendment protection of commercial "speech" is weaker than that for political speech or artistic expression.
- vmception 5y ago
  Just hasn’t been challenged enough. Every case expanding commercial speech protections was about some silly state law being challenged in Federal courts, with the court acting as a supreme legislature that Congress wouldn’t dare to do (because Congress derives its power from cohesion of the states, whereas the courts do not and reach the Supreme Court).

devoutsalsa 5y ago

This sounds like a great application for self driving cards at robot power charging stations. Have the car drive itself out of state & back in!

sschueller 5y ago

What kind of ridiculous government meets this infrequently? How is this considered to be in the interest of the public and democratic? January to May every other year seems insane.

betwixthewires 5y ago
The idea is that legislating should not be a full time job. So legislators meet every couple of years and consider how existing law has worked for the people of the state and then change the laws as needed. The governor can call a special session if something pressing needs to be addressed. I think it is a good system, we see the effects of politicking being a profession in DC, also when you're spending all your time making laws you tend to make too many of them. Texas isn't perfect and has a few unjust or otherwise inappropriate laws, but their system works for them and the hundreds of thousands of other people who move there every year.
- vb6sp6 5y ago
  It's a bad system imo. State house reps only make 7200 a year. Which means legislators need other income. And they also need 6 months off every two years. The only people I know that can do that are extremely wealthy.
  - brailsafe 5y ago
    I haven't made 7200 in the last year or worked at all, and I'm poor af as result :)
  - betwixthewires 5y ago
    Well, you can disagree with it if you want, but look at the results. They seem to be happy with it, and I do like the idea that making laws should not be a full time job. What sort of system do you think makes more sense?
    - vb6sp6 5y ago
      Results of what? Texas isn't some magical place that works better than any other large state. And you could make the argument that it can be worse than other states. For example, hurricane Harvey brought on major flooding in 2017. It took them two years to come up with something to try and help (prop 8 2019) because they aren't there working.

ibeckermayer 5y ago

The More Laws, The Less Justice.

killingtime74 5y ago

They should turn the Tesla showrooms into Gun shops, then they won’t have any issues

CogitoCogito 5y ago

"Tesla sure would appreciate changing the law, so that this is not required!" -Elon Musk in the tweet linked in the article Quite disingenuous. Certainly it's not required. Tesla could still sell through dealers of course.

belval 5y ago
I hate dealers so much I am happy that they are taking a stand against them. No reason why I should pay a premium to have a lousy experience with some guy trying to sell extras and jack up the price before signature. A lot of them a straight up predatory on poor people as well so if their industry could disappear overnight I would not mind.
DarmokJalad1701 5y ago
Oh yea. Sitting in a waiting room for hours drinking shitty coffee while the guy you are talking to goes "in the back" to talk to his manager to see if he can "work out a deal" on the car you want to buy. Wonderful experience! 10/10!

mensetmanusman 5y ago

They should partner with local embassies who would get free publicity for helping show america how to have a free(er) market. Tesla’s go to x-istan across the street, have public ceremony, then it drives out getting sold. ha