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That "1nm" is complete marketing bullshit, like it always was, for a decade or two. Silicon lattice step is ~0.5nm, so 1nm is at most 3 atoms. Current technolo
by out_of_protocol 5y ago
That "1nm" is complete marketing bullshit, like it always was, for a decade or two.
Silicon lattice step is ~0.5nm, so 1nm is at most 3 atoms. Current technology is definitely not there yet however we're getting closer. Very interested what marketing department will say after 1nm became old news
- Empf 5y agoIn a LSD trip someone could wonder if our simulation has no idea what the next evolutionary step is. Similar how music did not change much in the last 20 years
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- CalChris 5y agoThe term "5 nanometer" has no relation to any actual physical feature (such as gate length, metal pitch or gate pitch) of the transistors. It is a commercial or marketing term used by the chip fabrication industry to refer to a new, improved generation of silicon semiconductor chips in terms of increased transistor density, increased speed and reduced power consumption. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process It is an industry standard term for describing a process node which is quite different from marketing bullshit.
- threatofrain 5y agoIMO GiB and gigabit are deliberately consumer-confusing terms with an even clearer standard definition.
- edgyquant 5y agoSame with 4K, prior to it the number was used to describe the height of the screen (480, 720, 1080) but then 4K describes the width which confuses people into thinking it has 4x the resolution of 1080 when it’s really 2160 (double the resolution.)
- Skunkleton 5y agoDouble the linear resolution. 4x the pixels.
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- chrischen 5y agoHD ~= 1080p ~= 1K. 4 x 1080p ~= 4K.
- johncalvinyoung 5y agoThe challenge there was combining code systems. 4K as a standard had been used for a relatively long time in digital cinema and editing, and I believe the long-dimension standard was chosen based on telecine processes for scanning film for digital editing and effects. Consumer tech wasn't anywhere near those sorts of resolutions for a very long time, and the 480/720/1080 definition was based on TV broadcasts displayed with CRT scanlines. Then consumer display density rose to the point that it became relevant, and 4K was the preexisting professional name for digital displays in that resolution. It's complicated, but I don't think the choice was intended to confuse.
- TazeTSchnitzel 5y ago4K is the successor to 2K. It's not deliberately misleading. Every resolution has had several names: • 480p/480i, SD • 720p/720i, HD • 1080p/1080i, full HD, 2K* • 2160p, ultra HD, 4K* * actually refers to several resolutions with different aspect ratios, but roughly the same pixel count
- TazeTSchnitzel 5y agoBoth powers of 1000 and 1024 are common in computing depending on the context (no it is not just a hard drive thing). Surely it is only reasonable that the non-SI quantities get their own prefix to distinguish them from the SI quantities?
- threatofrain 5y agoI see consumer confusion as based on our ability to guess whether there's going to be a mismatch between communication and understanding, and despite technical correctness. Admittedly that example is pretty marginal, so I added a better one.
- OJFord 5y agoIt's industry standard to blame anything viewed with disdain on the marketing department, if EEVBlog is anything to go by! ('Product/industrial designers' when it's the same sort of thing but he likes it.)
- nomel 5y agoIt's a random number in front of physical measurement, unrelated to anything from reality. Just because all of the marketing departments choose to participate in this particular bs doesn't mean it's not pure marketing bs. That just means it's industry standard marketing bs.
- CalChris 5y agoNo, it isn't random either but it hasn't been associated with a particular physical feature size since 1997. How Are Process Nodes Defined? https://www.extremetech.com/computing/296154-how-are-process-nodes-defined https://www.extremetech.com/computing/296154-how-are-process...
- yencabulator 5y agoYour source seems to disagree with you. > The numbers that we use to signify each new node are just numbers that companies pick.
- cdash 5y agoExcept it isn't an industry standard term unless you mean the marketing industry. And the standard for them is it means whatever we say it means.
- GuB-42 5y agoNot really standard. Intel is one generation "late" for the same process compared to TSMC. By TSMC standards, Intel's 7nm is a 5nm process and Intel's 10nm is a 7nm process. So it is not even industry standard marketing bullshit.
- alokv28 5y agoLabels for production nodes (e.g. "1nm") have diverged from specific physical distances (e.g. gate width) for years now.
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- nomel 5y agoI'm curious if two gens from now we'll see -1nm or 250pm.
- ckemere 5y agoI'm confused - the whole point of this paper appears to be reporting a gate composed of a 2D monolayer of atoms as opposed to a 3D bulk deposition. So it seems like it is "there" in the sense you mean?
- ksec 5y ago>Very interested what marketing department will say after 1nm became old news 0.8nm. Something TSMC stated they intend to bring to market by 2030. Yes it is marketing term. But I thought everyone should know that by now.
- nine_k 5y agoPicometers await. But past 500 pm, the distance between silicon atoms in the crystal lattice, it will become increasingly harder to ascribe any physical sense to it at all.
- gameswithgo 5y agowe all know this, we see this comment daily.