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Please provide some specific examples. Even with examples, the important question is about how frequent they are, but without examples, your statement is just y

by Siira 5y ago

Please provide some specific examples. Even with examples, the important question is about how frequent they are, but without examples, your statement is just your personal experience. PS: Your usage of “smart racism,” “nazis,” “homophobes” etc are strong bayesian evidence (to me) that you’re just looking to guilt-trip people and victimize yourself. The only kind of racism I have seen on HN is the kind I see literally everywhere: people don’t really care about people not in their bubbles. This is better named selfishness than racism, and it’s inherent in human nature. (If you’re curious, I am middle-eastern, and not exactly binary myself; I have been abused when I was younger for being “transgenderish.” Which kind of forced me to adopt more conforming, binary social masks.)

tsimionescu 5y ago
I've seen explicit scientistic (scientific-sounding) racism on HN somewhat frequently, usually as a mintoriy opinion, but somewhat tolerated - generally in discussions about IQ, stuff like The Bell Curve. Homophobia I've seen much more rarely, though maybe I didn't hit the right topics. I've also seen anti-religious sentiments and anti-chinese nationalism popping up pretty proeminintely every now and again. Climate change denial is also rarely missing from any longer conversation about climate. Edit: Here's an example that eventually got flagged, but sparked a long conversation that had a few supporters as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26990070 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26990070
- _Algernon_ 5y ago
  You example is an example of the system working. It eventually got removed by mods, and the parent comment you're linking to called the behaviour out. I'm not sure what you'd like to see changed in this case?
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    Dang's response came 4 days after the comment was written. Before being flagged, it was downvoted, but not to hell - it was gray, but still readable, like most of that poster's other comments. So I would say that someone may be justified in feeling somewhat attacked and not that well defended on such topics. As I said, it's a minority opinion, but it is somewhat tolerated. Ideally, when someone claims that they can tell how smart someone is from how they look, that should be downvoted to oblivion and receive overwhelming counter-evidence or no attention at all. Of course, what happened was quite OK, and much better than many other corners of the internet. But still, it's proof that that there is some explicit racism on HN, not just people not caring about others.
    - goldenkey 5y ago
      I understand the linearity of the Shrodinger equation under a model which MW entails. However, you are sidestepping the randomness involved in the choice of world that you reside in. You can dress it up all you want, but your consciousness is bound to one world of the many worlds. And that is a defacto random phenomena.
- Siira 5y ago
  I’ve been abused all my life by religion, and the Iranian regime (which all evidence points to being much milder than the Chinese dictatorship). You’re no different than your predecessors; What are you doing to help people that actually goes against your bubble’s conventions? It’s not exactly an achievement to be pro-gay etc when gays etc are your bubble’s current fad.
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    I do not understand your point in any way. You claimed that there are no racists on HN and that claiming there are suggests someone is a drama queen. I pointed to some racists on HN to show that at least some do exist. What does this have to do with doing something about the Iranian regime or Chinese regime or any other regime? I barely even discussed homophobia. And note that you can be anti-fundamentalist without being anti religion, and you can be against the Chinese regime without being anti Chinese people (just like you can be anti Israel without being antisemitic).

by Siira 5y ago

tsimionescu 5y ago

I've seen explicit scientistic (scientific-sounding) racism on HN somewhat frequently, usually as a mintoriy opinion, but somewhat tolerated - generally in discussions about IQ, stuff like The Bell Curve. Homophobia I've seen much more rarely, though maybe I didn't hit the right topics. I've also seen anti-religious sentiments and anti-chinese nationalism popping up pretty proeminintely every now and again. Climate change denial is also rarely missing from any longer conversation about climate. Edit: Here's an example that eventually got flagged, but sparked a long conversation that had a few supporters as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26990070 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26990070

_Algernon_ 5y ago
You example is an example of the system working. It eventually got removed by mods, and the parent comment you're linking to called the behaviour out. I'm not sure what you'd like to see changed in this case?
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  Dang's response came 4 days after the comment was written. Before being flagged, it was downvoted, but not to hell - it was gray, but still readable, like most of that poster's other comments. So I would say that someone may be justified in feeling somewhat attacked and not that well defended on such topics. As I said, it's a minority opinion, but it is somewhat tolerated. Ideally, when someone claims that they can tell how smart someone is from how they look, that should be downvoted to oblivion and receive overwhelming counter-evidence or no attention at all. Of course, what happened was quite OK, and much better than many other corners of the internet. But still, it's proof that that there is some explicit racism on HN, not just people not caring about others.
  - goldenkey 5y ago
    I understand the linearity of the Shrodinger equation under a model which MW entails. However, you are sidestepping the randomness involved in the choice of world that you reside in. You can dress it up all you want, but your consciousness is bound to one world of the many worlds. And that is a defacto random phenomena.
Siira 5y ago
I’ve been abused all my life by religion, and the Iranian regime (which all evidence points to being much milder than the Chinese dictatorship). You’re no different than your predecessors; What are you doing to help people that actually goes against your bubble’s conventions? It’s not exactly an achievement to be pro-gay etc when gays etc are your bubble’s current fad.
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  I do not understand your point in any way. You claimed that there are no racists on HN and that claiming there are suggests someone is a drama queen. I pointed to some racists on HN to show that at least some do exist. What does this have to do with doing something about the Iranian regime or Chinese regime or any other regime? I barely even discussed homophobia. And note that you can be anti-fundamentalist without being anti religion, and you can be against the Chinese regime without being anti Chinese people (just like you can be anti Israel without being antisemitic).