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Tesla illegal job description (2021)

2 points by plmoknf 5y ago

plmoknf 5y ago
JD: https://www.tesla.com/careers/search/job/software-engineer-python-developer-w-m-d-gigafactory-berlin-91912 https://www.tesla.com/careers/search/job/software-engineer-p... When you move forward to fill your details, Tesla asks for a bunch of things which are pretty shitty to be honest.
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago
  Can you be more specific about what you think is illegal? These questions are standard on most job descriptions in many countries. I can't speak to Berlin in particular, but it's generally not illegal to ask these questions in most countries where I've posted job descriptions. Companies are expected to confirm that candidates are legally authorized to work in their country, and companies are also freely able to choose if they want to engage in the sponsorship process for candidates.
  - _Microft 5y ago
    Acknowledgement #2 is definitely invalid/not legal in Germany. This is the relevant law: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bgb/__622.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bgb/__622.html (obviously in German language) You can negotiate other terms but only if they are not worse than what the law states.
    - PragmaticPulp 5y ago
      It looks like someone simply forgot to change the boilerplate at the bottom based on the country for the job posting. My guess is a copy/paste of the job description. If someone would send it to Tesla I'm sure they'd fix it. Looks more like an honest mistake than some intentional violation of a country's labor laws.
mtmail 5y ago
Which part do you deem illegal? The questions seem fine. I think in Germany the parts about immediate termination won't work.
mytailorisrich 5y ago
You already posted that earlier [1] There is probably nothing sinister here and they probably simply did not customise their website for the relevant jurisdiction. Them writing that (employment at will and immediate termination) does not make it so or part an the actual employment contract (where it would in any case be invalid and void in Germany) I don't understand why you're obviously trying to stir controversy here. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27313195 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27313195

2 points by plmoknf 5y ago

JD: https://www.tesla.com/careers/search/job/software-engineer-python-developer-w-m-d-gigafactory-berlin-91912 https://www.tesla.com/careers/search/job/software-engineer-p... When you move forward to fill your details, Tesla asks for a bunch of things which are pretty shitty to be honest.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
Can you be more specific about what you think is illegal? These questions are standard on most job descriptions in many countries. I can't speak to Berlin in particular, but it's generally not illegal to ask these questions in most countries where I've posted job descriptions. Companies are expected to confirm that candidates are legally authorized to work in their country, and companies are also freely able to choose if they want to engage in the sponsorship process for candidates.
- _Microft 5y ago
  Acknowledgement #2 is definitely invalid/not legal in Germany. This is the relevant law: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bgb/__622.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bgb/__622.html (obviously in German language) You can negotiate other terms but only if they are not worse than what the law states.
  - PragmaticPulp 5y ago
    It looks like someone simply forgot to change the boilerplate at the bottom based on the country for the job posting. My guess is a copy/paste of the job description. If someone would send it to Tesla I'm sure they'd fix it. Looks more like an honest mistake than some intentional violation of a country's labor laws.

mtmail 5y ago

Which part do you deem illegal? The questions seem fine. I think in Germany the parts about immediate termination won't work.

mytailorisrich 5y ago

You already posted that earlier [1] There is probably nothing sinister here and they probably simply did not customise their website for the relevant jurisdiction. Them writing that (employment at will and immediate termination) does not make it so or part an the actual employment contract (where it would in any case be invalid and void in Germany) I don't understand why you're obviously trying to stir controversy here. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27313195 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27313195