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> Surprise, you live in a society - and I don't say that sentence ironically. You should. Majority of Muricans is not even willing to pay into a communal healt

> Surprise, you live in a society - and I don't say that sentence ironically. You should. Majority of Muricans is not even willing to pay into a communal health insurance. So much for the level of society. > That's why the fact that the vaccine is a sure shot That take is not scientific at all. There have been several issues reported with the vaccines.

unethical_ban 5y ago
Here you are, trying to say that Covid is less of a threat to yourself and others than the vaccine. Very few reactions have occurred. If you're worried about it, also don't go outside, cross a street, or go swimming in any body of water.
- swader999 5y ago
  We still don't have enough data on whether this will suffer ADE. If parent is young, isn't in a highly infectious area and behaves cautiously, they may be making a less risky decision.
  - amluto 5y ago
    We absolutely have enough data to rule out meaningful ADE. Study after study (the phase 3 trials and all the ongoing surveillance) indicates a massive reduction in the rate of severe infection among vaccine recipients. Sure, one can quibble about whether maybe some of the very small number of people who got a vaccine more than a couple weeks before a severe COVID case had a form of ADE, but that’s like saying that we haven’t ruled out that seatbelts might kill people. In both cases, the risk that a protective measure harms the recipient is massively outweighed by the degree to which the protective measure protects the recipient.
    - swader999 5y ago
      ADE doesn't really show up until years later with different strains and different virus.
      - amluto 5y ago
        By that standard, you also can’t rule out disease-induced ADE, dengue style. But the vaccine developers do know what they’re doing. IIRC, with SARS, a lot of research was done that suggested that antibodies against N might cause ADE but antibodies against S would not. If that carries over to COVID, then maybe one is better off with a vaccine than natural disease: the latter induces antibodies against N but the former does not.
  - tylerhou 5y ago
    Covid infection produced antibodies can also cause ADE, so that's not a great argument against immunization.

unethical_ban 5y ago

Here you are, trying to say that Covid is less of a threat to yourself and others than the vaccine. Very few reactions have occurred. If you're worried about it, also don't go outside, cross a street, or go swimming in any body of water.

swader999 5y ago
We still don't have enough data on whether this will suffer ADE. If parent is young, isn't in a highly infectious area and behaves cautiously, they may be making a less risky decision.
- amluto 5y ago
  We absolutely have enough data to rule out meaningful ADE. Study after study (the phase 3 trials and all the ongoing surveillance) indicates a massive reduction in the rate of severe infection among vaccine recipients. Sure, one can quibble about whether maybe some of the very small number of people who got a vaccine more than a couple weeks before a severe COVID case had a form of ADE, but that’s like saying that we haven’t ruled out that seatbelts might kill people. In both cases, the risk that a protective measure harms the recipient is massively outweighed by the degree to which the protective measure protects the recipient.
  - swader999 5y ago
    ADE doesn't really show up until years later with different strains and different virus.
    - amluto 5y ago
      By that standard, you also can’t rule out disease-induced ADE, dengue style. But the vaccine developers do know what they’re doing. IIRC, with SARS, a lot of research was done that suggested that antibodies against N might cause ADE but antibodies against S would not. If that carries over to COVID, then maybe one is better off with a vaccine than natural disease: the latter induces antibodies against N but the former does not.
- tylerhou 5y ago
  Covid infection produced antibodies can also cause ADE, so that's not a great argument against immunization.