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I have two thoughts on this: - old people should have less voting power bacause they wont live to see the results of their votes - old people should have more

I have two thoughts on this: - old people should have less voting power bacause they wont live to see the results of their votes - old people should have more voting power because they are older and have seen more of history I guess they balance out and everyone gets an equal vote.

threatofrain 5y ago
But most people's account of any national, state, or city history for any event whatsoever cannot beat a quick search on Wikipedia. I'm not sure how much value there is in informal recollections of past events. Have you ever heard a great retelling of history? It always seems to come from those who have invested Serious Effort to master a historical narrative, especially when they work with a community of fellow peers.
- nimbleal 5y ago
  Surely the whole of the human experience is, in the end, “informal recollections of past events”? What tells you more about poverty — learning that an individual lives on less than a dollar a day or, say, spending 24 hours without food and shelter? I would argue that the experience of lived history and the “facts” of history cannot be separated, and both must be equally valued.
  - threatofrain 5y ago
    The "whole of human experience" is a formal concept, since you surely don't believe any of us can informally experience it. Societies formalize it by collecting data and debating theories. And big human stories are the ones which are difficult to intuit. There are those who do nothing more than collect information on homeless people, documenting them for various organizations or gov't agencies, sometimes paid. They are doing the fundamental work of demonstrating a phenomena whose scale would otherwise be belittled or denied. Some would say SF is actually pretty nice, with only a small homeless population. When experiences disagree with each other, how should we move forward with discussion? With personal experience or with data?
- whiddershins 5y ago
  It’s not about specific historical events and narratives. It’s about the general tendencies of humans, patterns, that you start to be able to perceive when you live a lot of life.
  - threatofrain 5y ago
    A story of history, humans, patterns on race and class, told without any mastery of any specifics in history? I mean, sure, but I'd just call that canned gossip. And don't we All have something to say about human sexuality?
- cglace 5y ago
  Yeah, why ask the person who was in WWII what it was like. Just jump on wikipedia and it'll be like your on Omaha beach.
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u9rptDjqLl0Pdcz 5y ago
Older people have more children and grandchildren that will live with the results of their voting.

threatofrain 5y ago

But most people's account of any national, state, or city history for any event whatsoever cannot beat a quick search on Wikipedia. I'm not sure how much value there is in informal recollections of past events. Have you ever heard a great retelling of history? It always seems to come from those who have invested Serious Effort to master a historical narrative, especially when they work with a community of fellow peers.

nimbleal 5y ago
Surely the whole of the human experience is, in the end, “informal recollections of past events”? What tells you more about poverty — learning that an individual lives on less than a dollar a day or, say, spending 24 hours without food and shelter? I would argue that the experience of lived history and the “facts” of history cannot be separated, and both must be equally valued.
- threatofrain 5y ago
  The "whole of human experience" is a formal concept, since you surely don't believe any of us can informally experience it. Societies formalize it by collecting data and debating theories. And big human stories are the ones which are difficult to intuit. There are those who do nothing more than collect information on homeless people, documenting them for various organizations or gov't agencies, sometimes paid. They are doing the fundamental work of demonstrating a phenomena whose scale would otherwise be belittled or denied. Some would say SF is actually pretty nice, with only a small homeless population. When experiences disagree with each other, how should we move forward with discussion? With personal experience or with data?
whiddershins 5y ago
It’s not about specific historical events and narratives. It’s about the general tendencies of humans, patterns, that you start to be able to perceive when you live a lot of life.
- threatofrain 5y ago
  A story of history, humans, patterns on race and class, told without any mastery of any specifics in history? I mean, sure, but I'd just call that canned gossip. And don't we All have something to say about human sexuality?
cglace 5y ago
Yeah, why ask the person who was in WWII what it was like. Just jump on wikipedia and it'll be like your on Omaha beach.
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u9rptDjqLl0Pdcz 5y ago

Older people have more children and grandchildren that will live with the results of their voting.