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This “radar data” is video of FLIR visuals captured on the screen of a FLIR system in the San Diego area. In other words, grainy video of grainy video. From a f

by natch 5y ago

This “radar data” is video of FLIR visuals captured on the screen of a FLIR system in the San Diego area. In other words, grainy video of grainy video. From a film maker with an agenda that is, by contrast, extremely clear. If they want to talk about radar data, that would be something different from video of video. An assertion about the data is also not the data, it is just a mere assertion about the data. FLIR is the same system that showed the tic tac objects in another incident. Also in the San Diego area. The pilot in the tic tac incident, Dave Fravor, said that he is a class clown type. He also said that the programmer of the FLIR system is one of his best buddies and was at his wedding. He said there were three other people with him on that day (2 fighter craft, 2 people in each one) so he says it’s not just him, he has others who back him up. But, notice, that is just his assertion. The other three people have gone dark and don’t want to talk. An assertion about having backup is not backup. It is just a mere assertion. All we have for tic tac is Dave and the FLIR video. Imagine you are a Top Gun trained fighter pilot and get to experience the immersive 3D way of being that others don’t have any inkling of. You might feel pretty special. And then when you get back to earth, you’re just another ordinary Dave. What if you could juice things up a little bit, so that when you’re back on the ground, people would still know how special you are? What if your buddy who works on the FLIR system could be in on it? Again, all we have for tic tac is Dave and the FLIR video. Kinda similar with this new incident, since everyone on board apparently was unable to locate or forgot they had their smartphones. I would bet dollars to donuts that self described class clown Dave Fravor and his FLIR programmer buddy are still best buddies and still live in the San Diego area. Doesn’t prove anything, but food for thought.

creedleshrump 5y ago
Lt. Cmdr. Alex Dietrich was with Fravor and also saw the tic tac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygB4EZ7ggig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygB4EZ7ggig Also would be surprised if military pilots were allowed to carry their cell phones with them, nor would it likely be advisable to take a phone video while you're piloting a fighter jet.
- natch 5y ago
  Is Dietrich still talking now? For the cell phones it would have been safe for you to assume I was referring to the people who were on the ships at the time of the more recent supposed incident.
  - libertine 5y ago
    >Is Dietrich still talking now? It's precisely the opposite, she avoided talking until now. She asked Fravor to remain anonymous, and she came forward in a 60 Minutes interview if I recall correctly. Just to add up, 4 pilots were eye witnesses (2 pilots on 2 planes).
    - natch 5y ago
      Just watched it. From what they say it sounds like they were seeing large panels of ice or snow that flaked off of a large snowball core, something that must have been big enough to survive reentry. She described the motion as bouncing around with no discernible trajectory, something you would expect from a falling flat-ish object. He says it “came up to meet him” (and then disappeared btw) but that kind of wording is often heard from fighter pilots, often even referring to the ground “coming up” so I don’t take it as confirming that the thing was actually going upward. The FLIR shows another similar item seemingly flitting off suddenly (“accelerating”) but that kind of visual can come from the system suddenly losing its lock on the object.
      - libertine 5y ago
        So it was snowing large panels of ice or snow for days, on clear sky days (said by Fravor), large enough to pop on radars and sensors of both ships and jets? Because that was the context of the event: they didn't happen to come across it. It was being recorded in radars for days, and the squadron were asked to check it, by a radar operator, because they were doing an exercise near by. Oh, and remember: one of the jets remained above while the other dove. 2 different types of observations - he was on the plane that dove down, she remained up above. That's what makes the event bizarre: it wasn't a single random phenomena, it was happening for days and then observed by 4 witnesses at different angles/altitudes. It would be easier to wrap this up into a lie, hoax, propaganda to get funding, then to recurring meteorological rare phenomena never observed by radars or pilots.

by natch 5y ago

creedleshrump 5y ago

Lt. Cmdr. Alex Dietrich was with Fravor and also saw the tic tac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygB4EZ7ggig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygB4EZ7ggig Also would be surprised if military pilots were allowed to carry their cell phones with them, nor would it likely be advisable to take a phone video while you're piloting a fighter jet.

natch 5y ago
Is Dietrich still talking now? For the cell phones it would have been safe for you to assume I was referring to the people who were on the ships at the time of the more recent supposed incident.
- libertine 5y ago
  >Is Dietrich still talking now? It's precisely the opposite, she avoided talking until now. She asked Fravor to remain anonymous, and she came forward in a 60 Minutes interview if I recall correctly. Just to add up, 4 pilots were eye witnesses (2 pilots on 2 planes).
  - natch 5y ago
    Just watched it. From what they say it sounds like they were seeing large panels of ice or snow that flaked off of a large snowball core, something that must have been big enough to survive reentry. She described the motion as bouncing around with no discernible trajectory, something you would expect from a falling flat-ish object. He says it “came up to meet him” (and then disappeared btw) but that kind of wording is often heard from fighter pilots, often even referring to the ground “coming up” so I don’t take it as confirming that the thing was actually going upward. The FLIR shows another similar item seemingly flitting off suddenly (“accelerating”) but that kind of visual can come from the system suddenly losing its lock on the object.
    - libertine 5y ago
      So it was snowing large panels of ice or snow for days, on clear sky days (said by Fravor), large enough to pop on radars and sensors of both ships and jets? Because that was the context of the event: they didn't happen to come across it. It was being recorded in radars for days, and the squadron were asked to check it, by a radar operator, because they were doing an exercise near by. Oh, and remember: one of the jets remained above while the other dove. 2 different types of observations - he was on the plane that dove down, she remained up above. That's what makes the event bizarre: it wasn't a single random phenomena, it was happening for days and then observed by 4 witnesses at different angles/altitudes. It would be easier to wrap this up into a lie, hoax, propaganda to get funding, then to recurring meteorological rare phenomena never observed by radars or pilots.