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I know two people who had covid and who right now have a second covid infection by the british mutation. One of them also had their first vaccination.
by MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
I know two people who had covid and who right now have a second covid infection by the british mutation. One of them also had their first vaccination.
- nickthemagicman 5y agoI don't really believe stories on the internet. There's a lot of context missing. Like the fact that 3% of the population are hypochondriacs.
- amarant 5y agoIt's still anecdotal, but my cousin's wife who is a nurse also had covid twice, both of them confirmed infections(as in, she tested positive), the second one was after she'd received her first shot(not sure which vaccine, but one of the 2-dose ones) I have no clue if they were different variants or what caused her to not be immune, or how unlucky she were(this might be exceedingly rare) but for me it's been a good anecdote to tell people who think they don't need the vaccine because they already had covid. Get vaccinated!
- nickthemagicman 5y agoCounterpoint. My cousins wife's friends bosses therapists personal trainer got Covid twice and it made them more physically strong and able to do advanced math and play piano masterfully never having touched a piano before! Getting Covid a second time made their life way better.
- skeeter2020 5y ago>> anecdotes aren't anthema to logic. THey're all that is required to disprove universally stated truths. So if some vax-denier says "healthly people can't get covid twice" your anecdote is good enough. The real problem is that despite all their talk of science and facts they're not going to be convinced. That's just window dressing for their wrong beliefs. The value of vaccines is for society as a whole but the majority of us who get vaccinated do so for very selfish reasons: we don't want to get sick, we perceive the risk worth it, etc. The vast majority of anti-vaxers are still driven by the same base needs, we just haven't found the motivator that triggers action. Something as simple as vacinne passports would probably do it.
- Radim 5y ago> Something as simple as vacinne passports would probably do it. Let me fix it for you: "Something as simple as restricting the freedom of movement of healthy individuals who committed no crime, in violation of Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, would cause people with WRONG BELIEFS (sic!) to behave in ways that I like. Namely, I want them to give up control of their bodies for the greater social good, which is defined by their government. So long as the government agrees with me, naturally, which I expect them to do forever. The unwashed masses are in need of some enlightened herding. The human rights are there only for times of no consequence; but these are extraordinary, revolutionary times!" And people wonder where do totalitarian regimes recruit their support base from.
- nickthemagicman 5y agoThank you for this. My feelings exactly. Corona has shown me how easy it is to create fanatics to enforce any crazy rules in a fascist dictatorship. If we ever get a Hitler or Stalin or Mussolini in this country it will be truly scary how many people will happily follow the narrative and support hurting others who don't.
- nickthemagicman 5y agoThere's a vast gulf between anti-vaxxers and people who just don't want to put a non FDA approved, untested substance in their body that was developed in a rush over 6 months with no manufacturer accountability for a virus that they're not vulnerable to. It's a little disingenuous and black and white thinking of you to label them as the same. It would be like me calling you a Covid fanatic and a member of a Covid cult. It's extreme caricature of your views.
- toolz 5y agounfortunately the false positives with our PCR testing is abysmal - in the US the CDC recommended cycle thresholds of >40 to signify a true positive. That is beyond insane - with the flu we recognize false positives are likely after just a CT of 23! Your friends likely got sick twice, maybe once from covid and PCR tested positive twice. This is what the current literature understands - it's not impossible that you'recorrect, but unlikely.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago> unfortunately the false positives with our PCR testing is abysmal I keep hearing this argument, but it's unconvincing. Here in Alberta we've seen positive cases and hospitalizations and deaths move in relation to each-other. If the false positive was so high we wouldn't be able to make out that pattern from the noise, but it's incredibly obvious. Also, in the early days we saw case rates much lower than the false positive rates I saw talked about, and so that doesn't hold water either.
- toolz 5y agocovid deaths are labeled based on positive test results (and clinical diagnosis) so they will always move together regardless of specificity or sensitivity here's a study showing above CT 32 not a single live virus was able to be cultured [1] [1] https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1579/5937368 https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid... (image from the study) https://i.imgur.com/AaZZIXM.png https://i.imgur.com/AaZZIXM.png
- SketchySeaBeast 5y agoI didn't say just deaths, hospitalizations as well. In Alberta people were until just this week experiencing severe and acute respiratory distress in droves, so much so that our ICU was at the highest capacity ever and specifically 3/4 full of COVID+ patients, and this is sheer coincidence that it matches up with surge in positive test cases from several weeks ago? Our premier actually noted that a large group of cases currently in hospital were in the sub 50 age group as evidence that the vaccination against COVID 19 is working for the above 50's[1], who have had the opportunity to be vaccinated. Given all these facts it suggest to me there is an acute respiratory disease that is running rampant through my province that responds well to the COVID vaccine. How do you explain this? How do you explain record ICU numbers and uncharacteristically large groups of the young being stricken by a respiratory condition in May, long after cold and flu season and matching record COVID case numbers? [1]https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/1396587241087062016 https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/1396587241087062016
- struxure 5y agoIt may happen, also it is worth to notice that the immunity should form after the second vaccine
- mywittyname 5y agoAnd it takes a few weeks after that second shot for full immunity to kick in. My vaccine details said two weeks after the second does for maximum immunity, but Moderna might be different.
- hef19898 5y agoAnd even then no vaccine is 100% effective in each and every individual. Without pre-vaccine tests it is also impossible to say whether or not a patient was already infected before getting the shot.
- MrBuddyCasino 5y agonot true, the 2nd shot is for long-term immunity tho the vaccination was less than ten days in the past, so it might not have been active yet
- struxure 5y agoYou are right, it seems that a lot of people develop antibodies after the first vaccine. source: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210114-covid-19-how-effective-is-a-single-vaccine-dose https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210114-covid-19-how-eff...
- MrBuddyCasino 5y agoI can’t explain it either, just that it was confirmed in both cases by medical staff. She is pregnant, so they are extra careful.
- BillyTheKing 5y agothe crucial bit of information is missing here.. we'll never get rid of covid, but was the second infection less severe than the initial one? or did both of those people have to visit the hospital twice
- MrBuddyCasino 5y ago2nd much more severe, ongoing
- mumblemumble 5y agoThis seems like one of those situations where we all need to be saying "The plural of anecdote is not data" on the rosary every morning. Assume, for the sake of argument, that prior infection reduces your risk of future infection by 95%. That's a far sight better than most the vaccines, enough so that a 2nd infection would be noteworthy on a personal level. But then, since this is an Internet forum, we need to throw the law of large numbers at the situation. Those figures still mean that there are perhaps tens or hundreds of thousands of people out there who are known to have caught it twice. Which then translates into a certainty that there will be quite a few people mentioning it as an interesting anecdote on public forums like this. Then you throw a novelty effect on top of that. Say that prior infection actually confers 99% immunity. Fewer people will get re-infected, but each of those re-infections is more noteworthy, which makes it more likely that someone will want to talk about it. So the actual rate of re-infection and spread by people who've caught it gets a lot smaller, but the rate of people talking about it on the Internet, and the resulting perception people might infer of how likely it is, might stay about the same. (Disclaimer: I do mean, "for the sake of argument." Until some firmer science on the subject is forthcoming, AFAIC it's still within the realm of possibility that prior infection doesn't confer much practical immunity at all. This study is promising, yes, but I've been around the block too many times to get all that excited over something that doesn't amount to a whole lot more than an in vitro study.)
- MrBuddyCasino 5y agoits a young healthy couple, 2nd infection ongoing and much more severe
- mumblemumble 5y agoI didn't mean to minimize your friends' experience with a giant Skepty McSkepterson smackdown, and I apologize if that's how it came across. It sounds like it's an awful situation. For the sake of clarification, I was more meaning to say, for the benefit of others, that we need to be cautious about extrapolating from stories like this. Because, where it's a global pandemic affecting 7 billion people all at once, even the unlikeliest of outcomes are guaranteed to happen. So we can't necessarily collect stories from a bunch of different individuals, connect the dots, and expect the result to be an accurate version of the big picture. Perhaps prior infection confers imperfect immunity, perhaps it confers none at all, perhaps it's better than any vaccine. I'm not sure we know yet, but I am pretty sure that your experience is compatible with all of those possibilities.
- TMWNN 5y ago>I know two people who had covid and who right now have a second covid infection by the british mutation. One of them also had their first vaccination. As of today, there are only 84 confirmed cases of reinfection worldwide, with three deaths. https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/08/covid-19-reinfection-tracker/ https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/08/covid-19-reinfection-t...