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This is ridiculous hyperbole. Most of the talent coming to the US are able to actually leverage their talent and live much more comfortable fulfilling lives her

This is ridiculous hyperbole. Most of the talent coming to the US are able to actually leverage their talent and live much more comfortable fulfilling lives here. Why would you want to deny those individuals their right to wealth and a more comfortable life?

newsclues 5y ago
I don’t want to deny people anything, I want to distribute the talent and opportunity for success to bring up the standard of living globally instead of focusing all the success, opportunity and wealth in developed countries. Is it fair to the less talented people of a developing nation that America takes the best doctors and teachers? Doesn’t that harm the development of that nation?
- throwaway6734 5y ago
  How much of your own capital do you invest in developing countries? > I want to distribute the talent and opportunity for success to bring up the standard of living globally instead of focusing all the success, opportunity and wealth in developed countries This is assuming that talent in developing countries will be able to leverage their talent in those countries. These individuals are more than capable of sending back capital that they earn in the US if they choose to do so. Also, global standards of living continue to improve due to the advancements made in developed countries. >Is it fair to the less talented people of a developing nation that America takes the best doctors and teachers? The US isn't taking anything, individuals are moving to where they will be most productive. >Doesn’t that harm the development of that nation? Possibly? Do the developing countries that these people are coming from appreciate their talent?
  - newsclues 5y ago
    There are security, infrastructure and supply chain issues, absolutely, but i think it’s solvable. Pick a single country and a few cities, and run a pilot project. Take a bunch of people and train them in the USA, and send them home with a security force, and construct the basic infrastructure required and slowly expand the city with clean water, food, businesses. But by bit build a better world. Or, continue to capture the best and brightest, and ignoring the brain draining of the developing world and hope that they figure it out on their own.
    - throwaway6734 5y ago
      >Take a bunch of people and train them in the USA, and send them home with a security force, and construct the basic infrastructure required and slowly expand the city with clean water, food, businesses. I would love to see this kind of interventionism but after Iraq this isn't politically feasible. Also I don't think most developing countries would support this. >Or, continue to capture the best and brightest, and ignoring the brain draining of the developing world and hope that they figure it out on their own. Developing countries get to leverage advances made in developed countries which also them to develop much more quickly.
      - zozbot234 5y ago
        > Also I don't think most developing countries would support this. Honduras is betting big on it. Called a ZEDE ('Zona de Empleo y Desarrollo Económico'). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_for_Employment_and_Economic_Development_(Honduras) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_for_Employment_and_Econom...
linksnapzz 5y ago
Sort of tangential to the discussion, but what a fascinating conceit: that any individual (on earth) has a right to wealth and comfort, such that the people of the United States should be obliged to expedite the fulfillment of that right, by allowing that individual to settle there.
- throwaway6734 5y ago
  High talented individuals moving to the US is a win-win for them and the US. They significantly help to strengthen the country and ensure it keeps its dominant position
  - linksnapzz 5y ago
    In some individual cases, that is certainly true; so that's more of a non sequitur. I'm trying to divine the origins of this "right" that highly talented individuals have, to move where they whilst to best avail themselves of opportunities, and what sort of strength and dominance they can contribute to the place they move to...that, if these qualities do emerge from highly talented individuals, why did they do them no good in the place they're moving _from_?
    - throwaway6734 5y ago
      I don't know why you keep using the word "right". It's a beneficial situation for the individual and the US. Because institutions and environments matter. Einstein wouldnt have been able to contribute nearly as much to humanity 5000 years ago as he could 80 years ago.
      - linksnapzz 5y ago
        I keep using the word "right", because you said: Why would you want to deny those individuals their right to wealth and a more comfortable life? So now, it is not a right, but merely a beneficial arrangement so obvious as to be axiomatic? Yes, institutions and environments matter...so much so, that one should be very, very careful about how they might be changed or altered, and how the benefits are calculated, and by whom...

newsclues 5y ago

I don’t want to deny people anything, I want to distribute the talent and opportunity for success to bring up the standard of living globally instead of focusing all the success, opportunity and wealth in developed countries. Is it fair to the less talented people of a developing nation that America takes the best doctors and teachers? Doesn’t that harm the development of that nation?

throwaway6734 5y ago
How much of your own capital do you invest in developing countries? > I want to distribute the talent and opportunity for success to bring up the standard of living globally instead of focusing all the success, opportunity and wealth in developed countries This is assuming that talent in developing countries will be able to leverage their talent in those countries. These individuals are more than capable of sending back capital that they earn in the US if they choose to do so. Also, global standards of living continue to improve due to the advancements made in developed countries. >Is it fair to the less talented people of a developing nation that America takes the best doctors and teachers? The US isn't taking anything, individuals are moving to where they will be most productive. >Doesn’t that harm the development of that nation? Possibly? Do the developing countries that these people are coming from appreciate their talent?
- newsclues 5y ago
  There are security, infrastructure and supply chain issues, absolutely, but i think it’s solvable. Pick a single country and a few cities, and run a pilot project. Take a bunch of people and train them in the USA, and send them home with a security force, and construct the basic infrastructure required and slowly expand the city with clean water, food, businesses. But by bit build a better world. Or, continue to capture the best and brightest, and ignoring the brain draining of the developing world and hope that they figure it out on their own.
  - throwaway6734 5y ago
    >Take a bunch of people and train them in the USA, and send them home with a security force, and construct the basic infrastructure required and slowly expand the city with clean water, food, businesses. I would love to see this kind of interventionism but after Iraq this isn't politically feasible. Also I don't think most developing countries would support this. >Or, continue to capture the best and brightest, and ignoring the brain draining of the developing world and hope that they figure it out on their own. Developing countries get to leverage advances made in developed countries which also them to develop much more quickly.
    - zozbot234 5y ago
      > Also I don't think most developing countries would support this. Honduras is betting big on it. Called a ZEDE ('Zona de Empleo y Desarrollo Económico'). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_for_Employment_and_Economic_Development_(Honduras) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_for_Employment_and_Econom...

linksnapzz 5y ago

Sort of tangential to the discussion, but what a fascinating conceit: that any individual (on earth) has a right to wealth and comfort, such that the people of the United States should be obliged to expedite the fulfillment of that right, by allowing that individual to settle there.

throwaway6734 5y ago
High talented individuals moving to the US is a win-win for them and the US. They significantly help to strengthen the country and ensure it keeps its dominant position
- linksnapzz 5y ago
  In some individual cases, that is certainly true; so that's more of a non sequitur. I'm trying to divine the origins of this "right" that highly talented individuals have, to move where they whilst to best avail themselves of opportunities, and what sort of strength and dominance they can contribute to the place they move to...that, if these qualities do emerge from highly talented individuals, why did they do them no good in the place they're moving _from_?
  - throwaway6734 5y ago
    I don't know why you keep using the word "right". It's a beneficial situation for the individual and the US. Because institutions and environments matter. Einstein wouldnt have been able to contribute nearly as much to humanity 5000 years ago as he could 80 years ago.
    - linksnapzz 5y ago
      I keep using the word "right", because you said: Why would you want to deny those individuals their right to wealth and a more comfortable life? So now, it is not a right, but merely a beneficial arrangement so obvious as to be axiomatic? Yes, institutions and environments matter...so much so, that one should be very, very careful about how they might be changed or altered, and how the benefits are calculated, and by whom...