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Doesn't CIWS solve that?

by alanbernstein 5y ago

formerly_proven 5y ago
CIWS has very finite ammunition.
- barnesto 5y ago
  sure, but there aren't finite drones. not sure you've ever seen CIWS in action, but it would put down the drones with dispatch.
  - formerly_proven 5y ago
    AFAIK these are always firing 100+ rounds at every single target and only have ~1500 rounds in them, so that's not exactly a lot of targets. And then there is the matter that a CIWS/C-RAM would need at least some kind of upgrade to be able to engage (small, slow) drones: https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-we-rely-on-the-Phalanx-CIWS-to-shoot-down-small-drones https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-we-rely-on-the-Phalanx-CIWS-t... (I have no experience at all with these besides seeing some probably-fake Youtube videos supposed to show these shoot down mortar sheels)
  - Dah00n 5y ago
    Likely but than there's nothing left for the next wave. Cheap drones could quickly use up all the rounds. You wouldn't even have to use advanced drones with weapons. CIWS have to kill every drone just in case. Add a few missiles and or better drones in wave two and you got a very effective mix.
zdw 5y ago
CIWS have a limited amount of rounds, and and are designed to stop a few large projectiles (think a cruise missile) sent sequentially. I'm not sure how they'd handle many drones, especially ones that could change course. Throwing "wave after wave" of anything eventually overwhelms a defender.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
Until it runs out of ammo. But the laser type weapons they've been trying to develop solve this to some extent.
WastingMyTime89 5y ago
CWIS was developped as a solution to the threat of sea skimming cruise missiles after the USS Stark was hit by a couple of Exocet. It's not really geared towards fighting a swarm of light and slow adversaries. A small-caliber gun with a good fire-control system or a couple of marksmen should be a better answer. Asymmetric threats have been a major concern for modern armies at least since the first Gulf War. The threat used to be swarm of small boats. Now it's also swarm of UAV. Answers exist to both. Regarding the most likely origin of a UAV swarm targetting a US carrier close to the shore of the USA, I will go with the US army. It's good way to test both your offensive and defensive capabilities at the same time.

Doesn't CIWS solve that?

formerly_proven 5y ago

CIWS has very finite ammunition.

barnesto 5y ago
sure, but there aren't finite drones. not sure you've ever seen CIWS in action, but it would put down the drones with dispatch.
- formerly_proven 5y ago
  AFAIK these are always firing 100+ rounds at every single target and only have ~1500 rounds in them, so that's not exactly a lot of targets. And then there is the matter that a CIWS/C-RAM would need at least some kind of upgrade to be able to engage (small, slow) drones: https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-we-rely-on-the-Phalanx-CIWS-to-shoot-down-small-drones https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-we-rely-on-the-Phalanx-CIWS-t... (I have no experience at all with these besides seeing some probably-fake Youtube videos supposed to show these shoot down mortar sheels)
- Dah00n 5y ago
  Likely but than there's nothing left for the next wave. Cheap drones could quickly use up all the rounds. You wouldn't even have to use advanced drones with weapons. CIWS have to kill every drone just in case. Add a few missiles and or better drones in wave two and you got a very effective mix.

zdw 5y ago

CIWS have a limited amount of rounds, and and are designed to stop a few large projectiles (think a cruise missile) sent sequentially. I'm not sure how they'd handle many drones, especially ones that could change course. Throwing "wave after wave" of anything eventually overwhelms a defender.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

Until it runs out of ammo. But the laser type weapons they've been trying to develop solve this to some extent.

WastingMyTime89 5y ago

CWIS was developped as a solution to the threat of sea skimming cruise missiles after the USS Stark was hit by a couple of Exocet. It's not really geared towards fighting a swarm of light and slow adversaries. A small-caliber gun with a good fire-control system or a couple of marksmen should be a better answer. Asymmetric threats have been a major concern for modern armies at least since the first Gulf War. The threat used to be swarm of small boats. Now it's also swarm of UAV. Answers exist to both. Regarding the most likely origin of a UAV swarm targetting a US carrier close to the shore of the USA, I will go with the US army. It's good way to test both your offensive and defensive capabilities at the same time.