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Given that this site contains such stories as "Crop circle season underway in the UK" and "Marilyn Monroe’s diary of secrets may have led to her death," I'm goi

Given that this site contains such stories as "Crop circle season underway in the UK" and "Marilyn Monroe’s diary of secrets may have led to her death," I'm going to question if it's a reliable source.

weswpg 5y ago
The video is from CBS News
- graderjs 5y ago
  Thanks! Here's also a 8 News NOW Las Vegas video covering it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w
  - marktangotango 5y ago
    Interesting, George Knapp reporting, film acquired/leaked by Jeremy Corbell. Two familiar names. George at least has a lot of credibility as a "real" journalist. Jeremy manages to stay relativeley objective, but still comes off as pushing an agenda, imo.
    - graderjs 5y ago
      I agree. Jeremy definitely has his stance that bleeds through, as much as he tries to say he's undecided, but that's ok. Everyone can have their beliefs and we can respect that. I think Jeremy is also pretty combative and painting himself as "everyone always wants me to be wrong, everyone always attacking me". I haven't yet looked at him being him on his Instagram, so maybe it's true, but I don't think he needs to run that attitude in every interview. Like, George is not attacking him. It's like Jeremy's responding to the "haters in his head," in much of what he says. Which unfortunately I think twists what he says. But hey, everyone has their story, is different and has their past. I think JC is a very cool guy. A dedicated martial artist for a long time, then had an accident/health issue and focused on making films, and then got into this. I think he's a useful guy that people in the programs can use to push out some information, but he won't have legs to be part of the messaging in the long term if he keeps running his mouth the way he does. That's what I think :p ;) xx
  - gabereiser 5y ago
    John Oliver recently showed how easy it was to get stories on local news. I wouldn’t trust a story simply because it’s on the local news. That said, I completely agree that what they saw on radar scope was UFOs. I’m not convinced they were from another planet considering the proximity to CA from the Channel Islands (National Park).
    - graderjs 5y ago
      I'm with you on not just trusting something because it's on the news. Totally. But everyone has their different values. I added that link because someone was commenting that they valued it more than a parent comment judged it, as it was on a news channel. So I posted another news channel because I cared about that's how they and other people felt about it and that they appreciated that kind of thing ;p :)xx
      - gabereiser 5y ago
        Yup. God help us all if they prove to be real. We aren’t ready as a species to comprehend it.
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calvinmorrison 5y ago
Right next to the Wuhan lab leak... Conspiracy nuts are like broken clocks, and sometimes they're really the first people to put together stories before the Amazon Washington Post will report it
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
  But throwing everything imaginable at the wall and seeing that a few things stick doesn't mean you have a special insight regarding sticking things to walls.
  - roenxi 5y ago
    A conspiracy theory is an argument from first principles (rather than evidence, it is a claim based on capability and incentives). That is very hard to do right, and most conspiracy theorists have more misses than hits. That being said, it doesn't invalidate the conspiracy theorists. They fill a useful role - public discourse has three unwritten rules. Assume everyone is speaking in good faith, assume consequences of their actions that they didn't advocate for are accidental and assume that they are only working with information in the public sphere. All three of these assumptions are unsound, so public discourse is always slightly divorced from reality. We can't have discourse without those rules, but the crazies provide a helpful chorus of "but what if we assume bad faith/indirect action/private knowledge". These ideas need to be in the conversation, even if only peripherally. It is pretty obvious that there is a lot of that negative stuff going on, even if we don't know which specific cases are coincidence vs intent.
    - colordrops 5y ago
      > slightly divorced from reality It's often extremely divorced from reality. For instance the Israel / Palestine conflict.
      - gher-shyu3i 5y ago
        It's what happens when you have one side controlling the media (I'm referring to the Zionists in case that wasn't clear).
graderjs 5y ago
If you pre-emptively have contempt for something by association rather than investigating it on its merits, it seems you risk missing out on any information you have there. Maybe I disagree with your view on this, so I reflexively reject the rest of the comments you make on HN, even if one of them was insightful and could really help me. That might be a little dumb, so I would try not to do that, personally. I get if you would do differently tho, seems like you might from what you say here. ;p;) xx I posted a couple different sources on this, but I'm glad this post is the one that got upvoted to front page, because it's a good compilation of the various resources about this newly released footage: explanatory discussion with George Knapp, actual footage, Twitter thread where announced, transcript of footage.
- hashkb 5y ago
  So you completely ignore the reputation of whoever is trying to convince you of something?
  - graderjs 5y ago
    And you completely ignore the content and judge everything based on reputation? Well I've got a great reputation, why don't you trust me!? :p ;) xx You must be so gullible. But I don't think so, I think you just take it to the extreme. i don't discount reputation. i treat it separately. there's reputation here, and information here. and i examine each separately. what i try to do anyway. can be tricky tho ;p ;) xx
    - hashkb 5y ago
      I skip all the middle-men and assume everyone is wrong, regardless of reputation OR content.
- mcguire 5y ago
  Are you familiar with The Boy Who Cried "Wolf"?
  - 5y ago
reaperducer 5y ago
It's a project of KLAS/Las Vegas. It's a CBS affiliate that has worked with Senator Harry Reid to declassify a lot of government secrets over the decades.
- cavisne 5y ago
  “Senator Harry Reid” otherwise known as someone with a big financial interest in pushing UFO conspiracies
  - bigth 5y ago
    Can't we just assess the information based on it's own merits?
    - lallysingh 5y ago
      No, because this is noisy, incomplete data. We don't know how much other data wasn't released that would help us draw other conclusions.
    - SamBam 5y ago
      Not if the suspicion is that interested parties have falsified the data.
    - jandrese 5y ago
      The source is one of the merits. If you are getting the material from a source that is well known for fabricating "evidence" then it must be treated as suspect.
  - reaperducer 5y ago
    “Senator Harry Reid” Why do you put his name and title in scare quotes? He was a member of the U.S. Senate for 30 years, many of those years as the leader of the Democrats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid His legacy is respected enough that they're trying to rename the airport in Las Vegas after him.
charadeyouare 5y ago
Fox News https://www.foxnews.com/science/new-footage-shows-ufos-swarming-navy-ship https://www.foxnews.com/science/new-footage-shows-ufos-swarm...
stuaxo 5y ago
"Crop circle season" ... surely that's just late-spring into summer ?

weswpg 5y ago

The video is from CBS News

graderjs 5y ago
Thanks! Here's also a 8 News NOW Las Vegas video covering it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w
- marktangotango 5y ago
  Interesting, George Knapp reporting, film acquired/leaked by Jeremy Corbell. Two familiar names. George at least has a lot of credibility as a "real" journalist. Jeremy manages to stay relativeley objective, but still comes off as pushing an agenda, imo.
  - graderjs 5y ago
    I agree. Jeremy definitely has his stance that bleeds through, as much as he tries to say he's undecided, but that's ok. Everyone can have their beliefs and we can respect that. I think Jeremy is also pretty combative and painting himself as "everyone always wants me to be wrong, everyone always attacking me". I haven't yet looked at him being him on his Instagram, so maybe it's true, but I don't think he needs to run that attitude in every interview. Like, George is not attacking him. It's like Jeremy's responding to the "haters in his head," in much of what he says. Which unfortunately I think twists what he says. But hey, everyone has their story, is different and has their past. I think JC is a very cool guy. A dedicated martial artist for a long time, then had an accident/health issue and focused on making films, and then got into this. I think he's a useful guy that people in the programs can use to push out some information, but he won't have legs to be part of the messaging in the long term if he keeps running his mouth the way he does. That's what I think :p ;) xx
- gabereiser 5y ago
  John Oliver recently showed how easy it was to get stories on local news. I wouldn’t trust a story simply because it’s on the local news. That said, I completely agree that what they saw on radar scope was UFOs. I’m not convinced they were from another planet considering the proximity to CA from the Channel Islands (National Park).
  - graderjs 5y ago
    I'm with you on not just trusting something because it's on the news. Totally. But everyone has their different values. I added that link because someone was commenting that they valued it more than a parent comment judged it, as it was on a news channel. So I posted another news channel because I cared about that's how they and other people felt about it and that they appreciated that kind of thing ;p :)xx
    - gabereiser 5y ago
      Yup. God help us all if they prove to be real. We aren’t ready as a species to comprehend it.
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calvinmorrison 5y ago

Right next to the Wuhan lab leak... Conspiracy nuts are like broken clocks, and sometimes they're really the first people to put together stories before the Amazon Washington Post will report it

SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
But throwing everything imaginable at the wall and seeing that a few things stick doesn't mean you have a special insight regarding sticking things to walls.
- roenxi 5y ago
  A conspiracy theory is an argument from first principles (rather than evidence, it is a claim based on capability and incentives). That is very hard to do right, and most conspiracy theorists have more misses than hits. That being said, it doesn't invalidate the conspiracy theorists. They fill a useful role - public discourse has three unwritten rules. Assume everyone is speaking in good faith, assume consequences of their actions that they didn't advocate for are accidental and assume that they are only working with information in the public sphere. All three of these assumptions are unsound, so public discourse is always slightly divorced from reality. We can't have discourse without those rules, but the crazies provide a helpful chorus of "but what if we assume bad faith/indirect action/private knowledge". These ideas need to be in the conversation, even if only peripherally. It is pretty obvious that there is a lot of that negative stuff going on, even if we don't know which specific cases are coincidence vs intent.
  - colordrops 5y ago
    > slightly divorced from reality It's often extremely divorced from reality. For instance the Israel / Palestine conflict.
    - gher-shyu3i 5y ago
      It's what happens when you have one side controlling the media (I'm referring to the Zionists in case that wasn't clear).

graderjs 5y ago

If you pre-emptively have contempt for something by association rather than investigating it on its merits, it seems you risk missing out on any information you have there. Maybe I disagree with your view on this, so I reflexively reject the rest of the comments you make on HN, even if one of them was insightful and could really help me. That might be a little dumb, so I would try not to do that, personally. I get if you would do differently tho, seems like you might from what you say here. ;p;) xx I posted a couple different sources on this, but I'm glad this post is the one that got upvoted to front page, because it's a good compilation of the various resources about this newly released footage: explanatory discussion with George Knapp, actual footage, Twitter thread where announced, transcript of footage.

hashkb 5y ago
So you completely ignore the reputation of whoever is trying to convince you of something?
- graderjs 5y ago
  And you completely ignore the content and judge everything based on reputation? Well I've got a great reputation, why don't you trust me!? :p ;) xx You must be so gullible. But I don't think so, I think you just take it to the extreme. i don't discount reputation. i treat it separately. there's reputation here, and information here. and i examine each separately. what i try to do anyway. can be tricky tho ;p ;) xx
  - hashkb 5y ago
    I skip all the middle-men and assume everyone is wrong, regardless of reputation OR content.
mcguire 5y ago
Are you familiar with The Boy Who Cried "Wolf"?
- 5y ago

reaperducer 5y ago

It's a project of KLAS/Las Vegas. It's a CBS affiliate that has worked with Senator Harry Reid to declassify a lot of government secrets over the decades.

cavisne 5y ago
“Senator Harry Reid” otherwise known as someone with a big financial interest in pushing UFO conspiracies
- bigth 5y ago
  Can't we just assess the information based on it's own merits?
  - lallysingh 5y ago
    No, because this is noisy, incomplete data. We don't know how much other data wasn't released that would help us draw other conclusions.
  - SamBam 5y ago
    Not if the suspicion is that interested parties have falsified the data.
  - jandrese 5y ago
    The source is one of the merits. If you are getting the material from a source that is well known for fabricating "evidence" then it must be treated as suspect.
- reaperducer 5y ago
  “Senator Harry Reid” Why do you put his name and title in scare quotes? He was a member of the U.S. Senate for 30 years, many of those years as the leader of the Democrats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid His legacy is respected enough that they're trying to rename the airport in Las Vegas after him.

charadeyouare 5y ago

Fox News https://www.foxnews.com/science/new-footage-shows-ufos-swarming-navy-ship https://www.foxnews.com/science/new-footage-shows-ufos-swarm...

stuaxo 5y ago

"Crop circle season" ... surely that's just late-spring into summer ?