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Not to get political but how did you go from "free health care" to "Gulag labor camps"?

• dtx1 5y ago
  It's pretty american centric to believe free health care to be a leftist idea only.
  • rsynnott 5y ago
    Which is... pretty odd, as one of the three dominant styles of universal health care today was originated by and is named after _Otto van Bismarck_, who you'd struggle to consider a leftist.
    • sofixa 5y ago
      Unless you're seeing things through the US duality lens, where everything is black or white, left or right, etc.. I don't get why climate change is a "leftist" issue for those people, and yet.. And to be fully fair, von Bismarck only did it to preempt social democrats' talking points and popularity.
    • _dps 5y ago
      It was implemented by Bismarck but it was an explicit plan to outmaneuver the left wing by taking a popular part of their platform, which I've seen translated as "stealing socialism's thunder". Good details from a US-left perspective here https://jacobinmag.com/2019/12/otto-von-bismarck-germany-social-democratic-party-spd https://jacobinmag.com/2019/12/otto-von-bismarck-germany-soc... and from a US-centerish perspective here https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/bismarck-tried-end-socialisms-grip-offering-government-healthcare-180964064/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/bismarck-tried-end-so...
• JI00912 5y ago
  People get upset over others having more them they have, but rather than overtly stating they hate those who have more, it sounds far more appealing to say the attack on those who have is really a nice thing they're doing for the poor. But if you look at the actual actions and rhetoric, it's more about hating the rich than concern for the poor.