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How much did they pay (insert race) after WW2?

throwaway69123 5y ago
This is the origin story of ww2 after ww1
dtx1 5y ago
If you care to know, here are some details https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations
- PoignardAzur 5y ago
  From the article about forced labor: > The many camps were used during the process of the expulsions for the sake of "rehabilitating" Reichs- or Volksdeutsche, to decide if they could stay or go, but in reality this was a program of slave labor.[12] Roughly 200,000 ethnic Germans died in the Soviet run concentration camps in Poland.[12] Holy shit.
  - dtx1 5y ago
    It seems people are starting to forget just how evil and horrible the soviet union was. Somehow the political left is even starting to think that communism wasn't such a bad idea after all it was just "never implemented correctly". Doesn't matter how many millions were killed or put into slave labor camps, next time it's gonna work out just fine. edit: oh dear, the down votes are coming in, some people are really easy to trigger when confronted with historical facts
    - zibzab 5y ago
      Not to get political but how did you go from "free health care" to "Gulag labor camps"?
      - dtx1 5y ago
        It's pretty american centric to believe free health care to be a leftist idea only.
        rsynnott 5y ago
        Which is... pretty odd, as one of the three dominant styles of universal health care today was originated by and is named after _Otto van Bismarck_, who you'd struggle to consider a leftist.
        sofixa 5y ago
        Unless you're seeing things through the US duality lens, where everything is black or white, left or right, etc.. I don't get why climate change is a "leftist" issue for those people, and yet.. And to be fully fair, von Bismarck only did it to preempt social democrats' talking points and popularity.
        _dps 5y ago
        It was implemented by Bismarck but it was an explicit plan to outmaneuver the left wing by taking a popular part of their platform, which I've seen translated as "stealing socialism's thunder". Good details from a US-left perspective here https://jacobinmag.com/2019/12/otto-von-bismarck-germany-social-democratic-party-spd https://jacobinmag.com/2019/12/otto-von-bismarck-germany-soc... and from a US-centerish perspective here https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/bismarck-tried-end-socialisms-grip-offering-government-healthcare-180964064/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/bismarck-tried-end-so...
      - JI00912 5y ago
        People get upset over others having more them they have, but rather than overtly stating they hate those who have more, it sounds far more appealing to say the attack on those who have is really a nice thing they're doing for the poor. But if you look at the actual actions and rhetoric, it's more about hating the rich than concern for the poor.
    - PoignardAzur 5y ago
      Sigh... From the exact same article: > According to Simon MacKenzie, "callous self-interest and a desire for retribution played a role in the fate" of German prisoners, and he exemplifies by pointing out that sick or otherwise unfit prisoners were forcibly used for labor, and in France and the [Netherlands] this also included work such as highly dangerous mine-clearing; "by September 1945 it was estimated by the French authorities that two thousand prisoners were being maimed and killed each month in accidents." [...] In retaliation for acts of resistance, French occupation forces expelled more than 25,000 civilians from their homes. Some of these civilians were subsequently forced to clear minefields in Alsace. Yes, the Soviet Union was extremely brutal on a scale and with an intensity higher than most other contemporary countries. But if that's your only takeaway from the linked article, you're not trying to learn, you're trying to reinforce your pre-existing beliefs.
      - dtx1 5y ago
        Sigh... I literally grew up with stories from my grandparents of being displaced after WW2 from what is now poland. I am well aware of just how but just about everyone was during and after the war. You are aware that i was the one that linked the article? Besides, the crimes against the german population after WW2 were retaliatory in nature in the non-soviet countries while quite obviously just another crime against humanity by the soviet system that was just as brutal to "their own" as to the german population.
        PoignardAzur 5y ago
        Fine, this isn't news to you like it is to me. I stand by my point. My initial post was a remark on the brutality of the US Allies in the immediate post-war period. It seems like bad faith to single out the USSR as if they were an exception.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - canadianfella 5y ago
      > Somehow the political left is even starting to think that communism wasn't such a bad idea after all it was just "never implemented correctly". Doesn't matter how many millions were killed or put into slave labor camps, next time it's gonna work out just fine The problem is authoritarianism, not communism.

This is the origin story of ww2 after ww1

dtx1 5y ago

If you care to know, here are some details https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations

PoignardAzur 5y ago
From the article about forced labor: > The many camps were used during the process of the expulsions for the sake of "rehabilitating" Reichs- or Volksdeutsche, to decide if they could stay or go, but in reality this was a program of slave labor.[12] Roughly 200,000 ethnic Germans died in the Soviet run concentration camps in Poland.[12] Holy shit.
- dtx1 5y ago
  It seems people are starting to forget just how evil and horrible the soviet union was. Somehow the political left is even starting to think that communism wasn't such a bad idea after all it was just "never implemented correctly". Doesn't matter how many millions were killed or put into slave labor camps, next time it's gonna work out just fine. edit: oh dear, the down votes are coming in, some people are really easy to trigger when confronted with historical facts
  - zibzab 5y ago
    Not to get political but how did you go from "free health care" to "Gulag labor camps"?
    - dtx1 5y ago
      It's pretty american centric to believe free health care to be a leftist idea only.
      - rsynnott 5y ago
        Which is... pretty odd, as one of the three dominant styles of universal health care today was originated by and is named after _Otto van Bismarck_, who you'd struggle to consider a leftist.
        sofixa 5y ago
        Unless you're seeing things through the US duality lens, where everything is black or white, left or right, etc.. I don't get why climate change is a "leftist" issue for those people, and yet.. And to be fully fair, von Bismarck only did it to preempt social democrats' talking points and popularity.
        _dps 5y ago
        It was implemented by Bismarck but it was an explicit plan to outmaneuver the left wing by taking a popular part of their platform, which I've seen translated as "stealing socialism's thunder". Good details from a US-left perspective here https://jacobinmag.com/2019/12/otto-von-bismarck-germany-social-democratic-party-spd https://jacobinmag.com/2019/12/otto-von-bismarck-germany-soc... and from a US-centerish perspective here https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/bismarck-tried-end-socialisms-grip-offering-government-healthcare-180964064/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/bismarck-tried-end-so...
    - JI00912 5y ago
      People get upset over others having more them they have, but rather than overtly stating they hate those who have more, it sounds far more appealing to say the attack on those who have is really a nice thing they're doing for the poor. But if you look at the actual actions and rhetoric, it's more about hating the rich than concern for the poor.
  - PoignardAzur 5y ago
    Sigh... From the exact same article: > According to Simon MacKenzie, "callous self-interest and a desire for retribution played a role in the fate" of German prisoners, and he exemplifies by pointing out that sick or otherwise unfit prisoners were forcibly used for labor, and in France and the [Netherlands] this also included work such as highly dangerous mine-clearing; "by September 1945 it was estimated by the French authorities that two thousand prisoners were being maimed and killed each month in accidents." [...] In retaliation for acts of resistance, French occupation forces expelled more than 25,000 civilians from their homes. Some of these civilians were subsequently forced to clear minefields in Alsace. Yes, the Soviet Union was extremely brutal on a scale and with an intensity higher than most other contemporary countries. But if that's your only takeaway from the linked article, you're not trying to learn, you're trying to reinforce your pre-existing beliefs.
    - dtx1 5y ago
      Sigh... I literally grew up with stories from my grandparents of being displaced after WW2 from what is now poland. I am well aware of just how but just about everyone was during and after the war. You are aware that i was the one that linked the article? Besides, the crimes against the german population after WW2 were retaliatory in nature in the non-soviet countries while quite obviously just another crime against humanity by the soviet system that was just as brutal to "their own" as to the german population.
      - PoignardAzur 5y ago
        Fine, this isn't news to you like it is to me. I stand by my point. My initial post was a remark on the brutality of the US Allies in the immediate post-war period. It seems like bad faith to single out the USSR as if they were an exception.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - canadianfella 5y ago
    > Somehow the political left is even starting to think that communism wasn't such a bad idea after all it was just "never implemented correctly". Doesn't matter how many millions were killed or put into slave labor camps, next time it's gonna work out just fine The problem is authoritarianism, not communism.