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Germany says ‘JA ’ to fully autonomous vehicles hitting public roads in 2022

14 points by unripe_syntax 5y ago

curiousfab 5y ago
Typical German humour: The shuttle shown says "Wir lassen keinen fahren", which means "We don't let anyone drive" (i.e. driverless), but "einen fahren lassen" colloquially also means to fart, which refers to the vehicle being electric and therefore having no (direct) emissions.
gerikson 5y ago
Not sure if using the verb "to hit" is the best choice in this sort of story...
adrianN 5y ago
> According to the law, vehicles with the required autonomous driving function will no longer need a human driver to operate them. But in order to comply with current international regulations, a “technical supervisor” will be necessary. The supervisor won’t drive the vehicle, but will be responsible for ensuring that the obligations under road traffic law are met. Seems pretty pointless then except as a way to gather real world data. I wouldn't expect widespread adoption until that is no longer necessary.
- cookieswumchorr 5y ago
  that depends on whether the supervisor needs to be in the vehicle or can "supervise" 10 of them remotely
  - bryanrasmussen 5y ago
    Ok but what happens when the supervisor determines that a vehicle halfway to its destination cannot meet the requirements? I guess sending out a human driven shuttle.
    - adrianN 5y ago
      That would work fairly well in a "campus transport" system, where the nearest human is not terribly far away.
      - rusticpenn 5y ago
        These systems are already there in small spaces (with 25km speed limit)
hutzlibu 5y ago
"According to the law, vehicles with the required autonomous driving function will no longer need a human driver to operate them. But in order to comply with current international regulations, a “technical supervisor” will be necessary. The supervisor won’t drive the vehicle, but will be responsible for ensuring that the obligations under road traffic law are met." So this will be the guy to blame, if the KI goes wrong and runs over a child? As far as I understand it, the liability is the biggest hurdle right now, for fully autonomous driving. When there is a major crash, because of a software fault - who would take the blame? Sidenote: nothing was deciced yet: "The measure will pass to the upper chamber or parliament, the Bundesrat, for approval before it can take effect."
RonaldOlzheim 5y ago
You mean 'JAWOHL' Idk if we will see anything like that in full autonomous because the current level of development is equal to that of the dev in america for example.

14 points by unripe_syntax 5y ago

Typical German humour: The shuttle shown says "Wir lassen keinen fahren", which means "We don't let anyone drive" (i.e. driverless), but "einen fahren lassen" colloquially also means to fart, which refers to the vehicle being electric and therefore having no (direct) emissions.

gerikson 5y ago

Not sure if using the verb "to hit" is the best choice in this sort of story...

adrianN 5y ago

> According to the law, vehicles with the required autonomous driving function will no longer need a human driver to operate them. But in order to comply with current international regulations, a “technical supervisor” will be necessary. The supervisor won’t drive the vehicle, but will be responsible for ensuring that the obligations under road traffic law are met. Seems pretty pointless then except as a way to gather real world data. I wouldn't expect widespread adoption until that is no longer necessary.

cookieswumchorr 5y ago
that depends on whether the supervisor needs to be in the vehicle or can "supervise" 10 of them remotely
- bryanrasmussen 5y ago
  Ok but what happens when the supervisor determines that a vehicle halfway to its destination cannot meet the requirements? I guess sending out a human driven shuttle.
  - adrianN 5y ago
    That would work fairly well in a "campus transport" system, where the nearest human is not terribly far away.
    - rusticpenn 5y ago
      These systems are already there in small spaces (with 25km speed limit)

hutzlibu 5y ago

"According to the law, vehicles with the required autonomous driving function will no longer need a human driver to operate them. But in order to comply with current international regulations, a “technical supervisor” will be necessary. The supervisor won’t drive the vehicle, but will be responsible for ensuring that the obligations under road traffic law are met." So this will be the guy to blame, if the KI goes wrong and runs over a child? As far as I understand it, the liability is the biggest hurdle right now, for fully autonomous driving. When there is a major crash, because of a software fault - who would take the blame? Sidenote: nothing was deciced yet: "The measure will pass to the upper chamber or parliament, the Bundesrat, for approval before it can take effect."

RonaldOlzheim 5y ago

You mean 'JAWOHL' Idk if we will see anything like that in full autonomous because the current level of development is equal to that of the dev in america for example.