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Oh look, another "I've tried linux 25 years ago and some hardware didn't work and it sucked" post. Forgive the roughness of this reply... but... In the last 1

Oh look, another "I've tried linux 25 years ago and some hardware didn't work and it sucked" post. Forgive the roughness of this reply... but... In the last 15 years every linux that I've installed on every desktop and laptop that I've tried worked perfectly out of the box. No sound issues, no network issues, no wifi issues, video card drives just work. And if you use more "user friendly" distros like linux mint you do not even need to use the command line, amd drivers are right there in the kernel, and you can install nvidia drivers right from the gui. And you can on click heads or you can think with portals or race around a city without ever needing to use terminal or to debug audio issues.

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chopin 5y ago
At home I am all in on Linux desktop (I'm using mint) and I love it. However, I have a gaming PC with two AMD graphics cards attached. These do not work together with the vanilla distribution, they need drivers from AMD to work correctly. As of recent the driver has stopped working together with the latest kernels supplied by the distribution (the graphics cards are somewhat older). "Working perfectly out of the box" is a bit of a stretch. On the other had, as far as I can tell (I use Windows 10 at work), Linux desktops are considerably faster for many tasks. And there is little left to desire going to the distributions repository...
flohofwoe 5y ago
Unfortunately for every "it works perfectly here" post, there's just as many people where it doesn't work. My own experience with Ubuntu is "it works fine until it suddenly doesn't", and when looking for solutions on the internet, you find a thousand answers, all contradicting each other.
pitay 5y ago
I recently installed the latest version of Linux Mint because I was sick of Windows with Microsoft thinking that because I had installed Windows it owns my PC, automatically 'fixing' things that were better off not running, as these were things that trawled my hard drive and absolutely destroyed the performance of the PC for long periods at a time. The two things that come to mind when dealing with this is 'Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser' (the Microsoft Telemetry thing) and 'Windows Update Medic Service'. Both these things trawl my hard drive, I've watched them do it. Why 'Windows Update Medic Service' would be going through the jar files of a program that I unpacked to a completely non-windows directory I have no idea. These programs doing this is one thing, but Microsoft tries to prevent people from disabling these services from running, I actually have to break windows enough so that it actually runs well. That is why I realised that when I run Windows I really don't own my PC and installed Linux. Experience installing and setting up Linux. * Installing Linux was trivial, scary to shrink an NTFS partition in the installer, but after a long time it finished and worked really well. Tried Windows built in NTFS resize before this but even with almost all data removed from HDD it wouldn't lower the more than something like 300MB off of a 2.7GB partition. * The basics worked without configuration. Graphics were fine even before installing drivers, internet was autosetup out of the box. * There was still some basic stuff that needed searching the internet for to deal with, such as sound volume. The sound was really quiet even putting it to max volume on the desktop. Thing is the graphical control to change it was separate from the master volume, which was set to almost 0%. To change this I needed to run the 'alsamixer' command line program. * Fonts look different, for some reason the way they were rendered made them look skinnier. Played with the rendering settings and then just accepted it. * I was hyper sensitive to programs and games running differently and thought that some had problems on Linux (such as micro stutter in a game). But then I compared and they had exactly the same problem on both Windows and Linux. Ended up installing the much newer XanMod kernel distribution before I realised it was my perception and not my Linux install that was the problem. So the setup worked to a point, having a desktop with internet connectivity was no problem and required no actual setup that I remember. Other things like sound required required me to use the terminal to set it up correctly. There was some other stuff I had to change which I had to search the internet for quite some time for, I wouldn't have been able to do it without looking stuff up on answer sites. Not the smoothest setup for getting stuff working correctly, but not too bad, and it is stuff I don't have to worry about after initial setup. Some of the issues with sound may have been because I was using a USB sound card which I think is not that common. Anyway that is my recent experience, Linux didn't run perfectly out of the box for me, but it was manageable. That was just the setup, running it is very nice, very snappy, and it doesn't have stuff that grinds my hard drive for no good reason.
Zababa 5y ago
> And you can on click heads or you can think with portals or race around a city without ever needing to use terminal or to debug audio issues. No, you're limited to either game that runs natively on Linux (so almost nothing) or Proton (which works fine but with worse performance than native Windows). Oh and don't expect to play anything that's not on Steam without digging a bit into the command line. Should I add that to have the version of Proton that has usually the best compatibility on protondb, you have to install it manually? I play on linux and it's fine because I play WoW classic with a few friends and sometimes RimWorld, but for example if I wanted to play Vermintide with them I would have to install Windows (thanks anti cheat!).
baxuz 5y ago
The last linux distro I tried was ubuntu 20.04. There was no GPU acceleration for my nvidia card out of the box. Installing the drivers caused X11/wayland/whateverthefuck to glitch out and I had to do terminal magic to get it to boot. Using some other variant or version of nvidia drivers caused Chrome to screw up compositing which would result in pure black sections out of the viewport during scrolling. My front panel microphone inputs weren't working, and multichannel audio playback was garbled. I couldn't turn on GSYNC on my monitor, and it flickered at 144hz. Most of my mouse buttons weren't working. My printer/scanner wasn't working. I couldn't play any of my games. Do I have to continue? I'm not interested in Linux apologetics: "That's because you're using nvidia / chrome / realtek." "That's because you're using XY distro, you should be using Arch/whatever". "That's because that game developer sucks, Source engine games work fine". "That's because Logitech..." I don't care.

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chopin 5y ago

At home I am all in on Linux desktop (I'm using mint) and I love it. However, I have a gaming PC with two AMD graphics cards attached. These do not work together with the vanilla distribution, they need drivers from AMD to work correctly. As of recent the driver has stopped working together with the latest kernels supplied by the distribution (the graphics cards are somewhat older). "Working perfectly out of the box" is a bit of a stretch. On the other had, as far as I can tell (I use Windows 10 at work), Linux desktops are considerably faster for many tasks. And there is little left to desire going to the distributions repository...

flohofwoe 5y ago

Unfortunately for every "it works perfectly here" post, there's just as many people where it doesn't work. My own experience with Ubuntu is "it works fine until it suddenly doesn't", and when looking for solutions on the internet, you find a thousand answers, all contradicting each other.

pitay 5y ago

I recently installed the latest version of Linux Mint because I was sick of Windows with Microsoft thinking that because I had installed Windows it owns my PC, automatically 'fixing' things that were better off not running, as these were things that trawled my hard drive and absolutely destroyed the performance of the PC for long periods at a time. The two things that come to mind when dealing with this is 'Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser' (the Microsoft Telemetry thing) and 'Windows Update Medic Service'. Both these things trawl my hard drive, I've watched them do it. Why 'Windows Update Medic Service' would be going through the jar files of a program that I unpacked to a completely non-windows directory I have no idea. These programs doing this is one thing, but Microsoft tries to prevent people from disabling these services from running, I actually have to break windows enough so that it actually runs well. That is why I realised that when I run Windows I really don't own my PC and installed Linux. Experience installing and setting up Linux. * Installing Linux was trivial, scary to shrink an NTFS partition in the installer, but after a long time it finished and worked really well. Tried Windows built in NTFS resize before this but even with almost all data removed from HDD it wouldn't lower the more than something like 300MB off of a 2.7GB partition. * The basics worked without configuration. Graphics were fine even before installing drivers, internet was autosetup out of the box. * There was still some basic stuff that needed searching the internet for to deal with, such as sound volume. The sound was really quiet even putting it to max volume on the desktop. Thing is the graphical control to change it was separate from the master volume, which was set to almost 0%. To change this I needed to run the 'alsamixer' command line program. * Fonts look different, for some reason the way they were rendered made them look skinnier. Played with the rendering settings and then just accepted it. * I was hyper sensitive to programs and games running differently and thought that some had problems on Linux (such as micro stutter in a game). But then I compared and they had exactly the same problem on both Windows and Linux. Ended up installing the much newer XanMod kernel distribution before I realised it was my perception and not my Linux install that was the problem. So the setup worked to a point, having a desktop with internet connectivity was no problem and required no actual setup that I remember. Other things like sound required required me to use the terminal to set it up correctly. There was some other stuff I had to change which I had to search the internet for quite some time for, I wouldn't have been able to do it without looking stuff up on answer sites. Not the smoothest setup for getting stuff working correctly, but not too bad, and it is stuff I don't have to worry about after initial setup. Some of the issues with sound may have been because I was using a USB sound card which I think is not that common. Anyway that is my recent experience, Linux didn't run perfectly out of the box for me, but it was manageable. That was just the setup, running it is very nice, very snappy, and it doesn't have stuff that grinds my hard drive for no good reason.

Zababa 5y ago

> And you can on click heads or you can think with portals or race around a city without ever needing to use terminal or to debug audio issues. No, you're limited to either game that runs natively on Linux (so almost nothing) or Proton (which works fine but with worse performance than native Windows). Oh and don't expect to play anything that's not on Steam without digging a bit into the command line. Should I add that to have the version of Proton that has usually the best compatibility on protondb, you have to install it manually? I play on linux and it's fine because I play WoW classic with a few friends and sometimes RimWorld, but for example if I wanted to play Vermintide with them I would have to install Windows (thanks anti cheat!).

baxuz 5y ago

The last linux distro I tried was ubuntu 20.04. There was no GPU acceleration for my nvidia card out of the box. Installing the drivers caused X11/wayland/whateverthefuck to glitch out and I had to do terminal magic to get it to boot. Using some other variant or version of nvidia drivers caused Chrome to screw up compositing which would result in pure black sections out of the viewport during scrolling. My front panel microphone inputs weren't working, and multichannel audio playback was garbled. I couldn't turn on GSYNC on my monitor, and it flickered at 144hz. Most of my mouse buttons weren't working. My printer/scanner wasn't working. I couldn't play any of my games. Do I have to continue? I'm not interested in Linux apologetics: "That's because you're using nvidia / chrome / realtek." "That's because you're using XY distro, you should be using Arch/whatever". "That's because that game developer sucks, Source engine games work fine". "That's because Logitech..." I don't care.