> Here's a user, telling you that I'm sick of lag from weird multistage loads in apps that gain nothing from keeping local state in browser JavaScript variables

> Here's a user, telling you that I'm sick of lag from weird multistage loads in apps that gain nothing from keeping local state in browser JavaScript variables. You do realize the alternative is the same amount (or more) of waiting with a blank screen, right? > Or compare the absolute shit-show of new Reddit in an SPA to old Reddit. You are conflating bad design / UX with SPAs. You can build a SPA that is exactly the same as the old Reddit. Reddit is trying to monetize their site, many of their shitty UX decisions are done with that goal in mind. > Managing complex UI state is the problem. ...What? Unless you are talking about stripping web apps of their functionality, you can't avoid this. You will have complex UI state. It's just a question of whether you use some shitty, convoluted approach of the olden days, or you use a modern solution that makes this faster and easier. Anyways, you do realize you are in the minority, right? Most users have an expectation of how modern web apps should function. Redirecting a user for simple tasks doesn't cut it. If SPAs didn't provide a better experience, and in turn, better conversions, companies would not adopt them.