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Is there a way to read the full article? It's particularly interesting because Ive been considering moving from LA to somewhere else, perhaps Flordia. Slightly
by warent 5y ago
Is there a way to read the full article? It's particularly interesting because Ive been considering moving from LA to somewhere else, perhaps Flordia.
Slightly off topic but while you're at it I'm curious if you have some advice. I'm a single guy in his mid 20s but dont really like the crazy party lifestyle or workaholic startup culture. Pretty downtempo, looking for a medium/large town or small city where I can have a sense of community and safety at night while still having decent restaurant, art, music options, thick forests nearby would be great too. Ideally somewhere that values charities / philanthropic work. Any suggestions?
- cupcake-unicorn 5y agoPNW
- lioeters 5y agoI second this. I've lived off and on in Washington, Oregon, Northern California, and there are many medium to small towns that fit the description.
- foxyv 5y agoI've heard that the Denver CO area is pretty hot right now. Most of the stuff you mention is pretty good there. However I also saw an article about some of the less ethical companies not hiring people there because of salary disclosure regulations. Property values are nuts, but not California nuts... yet.
- testesttest 5y agoJust left Denver. The job market is weak for software developers. The housing is not as expensive as California but the pay vs housing costs is probably worse. Remote gig is better than what is available locally. Expect some hostility if your moving in from CA. I will miss the sking and mountains though....
- nickthemagicman 5y agoWhere'd you go if you don't mind me asking
- hyperrail 5y agoArchive.today has it in full: https://archive.ph/vMbpD https://archive.ph/vMbpD I wonder how they're so consistently good at evading the Wall Street Journal's paywall, which is usually strict with no metered free limit and limited exceptions even for Twitter and Facebook shares. Probably the WSJ's website team would like to know too.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 5y agoProbably just clear cache and cookies, then spoof the referrer as Facebook. Works for almost all major paywalled news sites. Edit: An even simpler solution: https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome/blob/b57c72d41b4683c532bde34e1d81eba948be7fe3/src/js/contentScript.js#L102 https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome/blob/b5... They might just run that extension actually, since it's popular and regularly updated.
- sfeng 5y agoI wouldn’t personally choose Florida. I would think Austin, Portland, Denver, Tuscon, Asheville first. Many college towns across the country could give you the things you’re looking for, a big question is what weather you want.
- Bud 5y agoAn even better question: what place will continue to have the weather you want after climate change ruins the weather in wide swaths of the US in the next 5-10 years? I would not bet on Austin and Tucson, personally. Therefore, we moved from the Bay Area to Minneapolis.
- unexpected 5y agoWhile I agree that climate change may have an impact on Tucson in Austin at some point, if your time horizon is the next 5-10 years, I think you'd be okay with either city.
- Bud 5y agoKeep in mind that weather impacts include impact to water resources, and those resources are already becoming highly threatened in much of the west and southwest. That's only going to get worse, and will do so more rapidly than the overall climate impact. Also, as we've seen in the Bay Area, even the early stages of climate change can have sudden and severe impacts. That's why much of California is now on fire 3-4 months out of the year. Those kinds of impacts will start driving people out of more cities quite soon, and the fear that comes with that will kill property values. I would not want to buy a house in such an area if I could avoid it.
- throwkeep 5y agoIn part that, but also: Decades of mismanagement led to choked forests — now it's time to clear them out, fire experts say. “Forest management is a lot like gardening. You have to keep the forest open and thin," said Mike Rogers, a former Angeles National Forest supervisor. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/decades-mismanagement-led-choked-forests-now-it-s-time-clear-n1243599 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/decades-mismanagement-l...
- forgotmypw17 5y agoWhat I would do is buy a minivan and go looking around the country. . .
- peterburkimsher 5y agoWould you consider other countries? I found all those in Kaohsiung, as well as great electronics markets.
- warent 5y agoI've been seriously considering Taiwan! Sadly the current instability in its relationship with PRC makes me fear going there if war breaks out.
- thequux 5y agoLikewise, there are a lot of nice cities in Belgium that offer various balances of those requirements. I settled on Ghent, but Brussels has more nightlife and local forests at the cost of being dirtier and somewhat uglier. You might also like Liege, which is close to some excellent hiking and thermal baths.
- celim307 5y agoDenver is all of that, Boulder maybe even more. But it’s expensive and I left
- ericcholis 5y agoA bit out of left field, but what about Buffalo, NY?
- kilbuz 5y agoTwin Cities in MN (Minneapolis and St. Paul). If you can handle or even enjoy the winters, it's about as perfect a place as you can choose. Madison, WI also for something a bit smaller, but similar vibes.
- danhak 5y agoSeconded, this is one of the loveliest parts of the country if you can tolerate the winter. Twin Cities and Madison are both incredibly pleasant, livable with lots to offer and surrounded by some beautiful forests and nature. Madison is a bit smaller and more of a college town.
- Bud 5y agoThat's what we just chose. We figure that climate change will probably make the winters at least slightly less severe. :) We hope. Perhaps that's just a dream.
- qshaman 5y agoYes , I strongly recommend you Florida , central and north Florida have the best spots to live in. Sell your place in the west coast and move to Florida, is amazing. https://youtu.be/HeGbDRbodNQ https://youtu.be/HeGbDRbodNQ
- boc 5y agoLawrence, KS or Fayetteville, AR
- teebs 5y agoAs someone who grew up there I'm a little biased but I think Portland, OR fits your needs almost exactly. It's a city people move to for the lifestyle - interesting culture, good food, beautiful nature nearby (including plenty of forests) with very reasonable work/life balance. In fact, that's exactly why my parents moved there from San Francisco in the 80's (although at the time the culture and food wasn't nearly as good as it is today)
- haram_masala 5y agoYou're not going to believe me, but if not, it's your loss: Richmond, Virginia. It absolutely ticks all of those boxes, and does so with an offbeat gusto.
- cozzyd 5y agoIf you're not scared of cold weather, some reasonable options might include Burlington, Madison, Duluth, Champaign, and Grand Rapids. If you want something warmer, maybe Charlottesville or Knoxville? If you don't mind insufferable heat then Gainesville is reasonable. I may have miscalibrated what you mean by "small cities." For even smaller places, I'd choose some random upper midwest non-flagship college town (Winona? LaCrosse? Houghton? Valparaiso?).
- axaxs 5y agoFrom Florida. It isn't perfect, it works for me. I wouldn't recommend it for you. AMA, I guess. But my honest assessment is that everyone wants the same thing. Give me a cheaper house, in a picturesque neighborhood that is all friends...walkable to shopping, and maybe the beach. And no crime. As my realtor put it sarcastically... 'oh you want a little farm in a safe area in downtown Miami...no problem!' Doesn't exist bud, for any amount of money. Choose a few things you -really- value, and hyperfocus on that.
- OldHand2018 5y agoI looked at Florida earlier this year and decided against it. The “no income tax” thing gives people the wrong idea - it’s not a cheap place to live unless housing is cheap, which is no longer the case. Property tax is similar to the situation in California. The house is reassessed when sold and then you have small increases until you sell. Newcomers bear the brunt of it and long-time residents pay very little. And then homeowners insurance anywhere close to the ocean!!!
- axaxs 5y agoAbsolutely. Housing wasn't ever 'midwest cheap', but cheap compared to coastal cities. That was generally offset by highish property taxes and insane house insurance rates. As an example, I remember looking up a house in Vero Beach selling for $720k, which I thought was a bit insane for the area. I found it last sold for $280k in 2012. That kind of growth is untenable for any area, and it has no signs of slowing. Moreso than that, I would only really recommend most parts of Florida to introverts. The people are generally unpleasant and cold compared to anywhere else in the whole Southeast. I think it's a state full of transplants, and well, people with a big family or friend network are less likely to up and leave their home. So we get the loners and the hated, so to speak.
- N1H1L 5y agoWhy not Chattanooga, TN? Great municipal broadband, beautiful hills nearby and amazing forests all around. It has a very laidback vibe too. I like the vibe in Rayleigh, NC too. Great tech scene, yet not as expensive as Austin/Boston. Smokies are 2 hours to the west, while the Outer Banks are two hours to the east.
- ayyy 5y ago> Is there a way to read the full article? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bypass-paywalls-clean/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bypass-paywal... There's a version for Chrome also. On Android, I use that extension with Fennec from F-Droid. Also I did SF->Florida and looked at a bunch of regions. St Petersburg sounds like the type of town you'd like.
- ngngngng 5y agoSalt lake would work. And Utahs a great place for a variety of lifestyles, especially involving the outdoors.
- pabs3 5y agohttps://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-are-on-the-move-their-stuff-doesnt-always-follow-11622050745?mod=djemalertNEWS https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-are-on-the-move-their...
- chmod600 5y agoPortland could be a good fit. But you say you are single and I don't think it's a great place for dating (maybe just my experience).
- tsjq 5y agohttps://archive.is/vMbpD https://archive.is/vMbpD
- SmellTheGlove 5y agoPortland, Maine. Great city, I miss Maine every day.
- myself248 5y agoAllow me to throw in a vote for Royal Oak, Michigan. I think it checks all the boxes, especially still being habitable with ongoing climate change.
- cozzyd 5y agoRoyal Oak isn't really a small city though. I mean it is, but it's a Detroit suburb, so probably not what OP meant. Michigan does have plenty of nice smaller cities though (e.g. Grand Rapids, Lansing, Ann Arbor, St. Joseph, Traverse City, Marquette, Houghton).
- ramraj07 5y agoConsider college station TX? Weather is still not ideal (occasional tornado and hail) but otherwise cheaper than Austin small enough not to have traffic but with all the basic needs you would have from a biggish city. Also Houston and Austin are both 2 hours away.
- jborichevskiy 5y agoI was very pleasantly surprised staying in Oceanside, CA. Small town, amazing surfing and ocean access, biking, very walkable for groceries/food/coffee/bars, felt safe at night, and close enough to San Diego/LA for the crazier stuff.
- HeyLaughingBoy 5y agoMinneapolis. You might not like it when it gets down to -20F, but it's easily the nicest city I've ever lived in and clicks all your checkboxes. The first year I lived there I kept kicking myself for not having moved 10 years earlier.