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Given that china needs a smaller population and Japan and the EU need to maintain a dwindling one, the motivations are there. But china somehow seems to have ke

Given that china needs a smaller population and Japan and the EU need to maintain a dwindling one, the motivations are there. But china somehow seems to have kept cases insanely low, so that doesn't really hold. People have suggested the Chinese death toll is actually much higher but I've read no real evidence of that. Is it also possible living close enough to the zoonotic origin some level of immunity to similar viruses became common there?

someperson 5y ago
China doesn't need a smaller population, it's actively trying to increase birth rates after 35 years of the One Child Policy caused a demographic catastrophe. The population projects are for a declining to below 1 billion people (potentially as low as 700 million by 2100) The evidence of deaths in Wuhan being 10 times officially reported numbers (of 4,000) is very strong, based on analysis of crematoriums. The same is actually true of India too (which fared much worse than China).
- redis_mlc 5y ago
  > China doesn't need a smaller population China needs much less old people, but more young people. This is not well-understood in the West, but China is a communist country with only a limited social safety net - hospitalization is not free unless you're a CCP member. You can google for "China big sickness" to read about it - cancer treatment or a heart transplant is almost as expensive as in the US (around $200,000 cash in advance each.) You can see videos on Youtube analyzing this - China is screwed because of the previous partial one child policy, doubly so since that became "the new normal" for young parents. Demography — China's Reckoning (Part 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-0DGu7gCq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-0DGu7gCq0
redis_mlc 5y ago
No idea why people keep reporting that corona wasn't serious in China. These items have been reported in the Western press: - The crematoriums in Wuhan had to work around the clock. - The traditional 1-year mourning grave visits in Wuhan had record attendance. - millions of cell phone numbers in China have stopped working (though it's possible families are sharing phones during the lockdown) - NTD media has shown early records of reported case grand totals decreasing week-over-week. (Grand totals can't decrease mathematically.) - nobody who has said "cases were insanely low" has provided any documentation on that aside from CCP state media claims. More than half of the people who studied the origin for the past year felt there was enough circumstantial evidence for a leak from WIV because there's around 20 items pointing at WIV, and none contradicting it.
AdamJacobMuller 5y ago
> People have suggested the Chinese death toll is actually much higher but I've read no real evidence of that Even if the chinese death toll was 10x or 100x reported (40k or 400k) it would be a tiny drop in the bucket of chinese population and I find it hard to believe that the death toll could be inflated 1000x or 10000x or more to any number which has any meaningful impact on the chinese population without that information leaking. I'm sure the official figures are fabrications, but, I don't think they are THAT wrong.

someperson 5y ago

China doesn't need a smaller population, it's actively trying to increase birth rates after 35 years of the One Child Policy caused a demographic catastrophe. The population projects are for a declining to below 1 billion people (potentially as low as 700 million by 2100) The evidence of deaths in Wuhan being 10 times officially reported numbers (of 4,000) is very strong, based on analysis of crematoriums. The same is actually true of India too (which fared much worse than China).

redis_mlc 5y ago
> China doesn't need a smaller population China needs much less old people, but more young people. This is not well-understood in the West, but China is a communist country with only a limited social safety net - hospitalization is not free unless you're a CCP member. You can google for "China big sickness" to read about it - cancer treatment or a heart transplant is almost as expensive as in the US (around $200,000 cash in advance each.) You can see videos on Youtube analyzing this - China is screwed because of the previous partial one child policy, doubly so since that became "the new normal" for young parents. Demography — China's Reckoning (Part 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-0DGu7gCq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-0DGu7gCq0

redis_mlc 5y ago

No idea why people keep reporting that corona wasn't serious in China. These items have been reported in the Western press: - The crematoriums in Wuhan had to work around the clock. - The traditional 1-year mourning grave visits in Wuhan had record attendance. - millions of cell phone numbers in China have stopped working (though it's possible families are sharing phones during the lockdown) - NTD media has shown early records of reported case grand totals decreasing week-over-week. (Grand totals can't decrease mathematically.) - nobody who has said "cases were insanely low" has provided any documentation on that aside from CCP state media claims. More than half of the people who studied the origin for the past year felt there was enough circumstantial evidence for a leak from WIV because there's around 20 items pointing at WIV, and none contradicting it.

AdamJacobMuller 5y ago

> People have suggested the Chinese death toll is actually much higher but I've read no real evidence of that Even if the chinese death toll was 10x or 100x reported (40k or 400k) it would be a tiny drop in the bucket of chinese population and I find it hard to believe that the death toll could be inflated 1000x or 10000x or more to any number which has any meaningful impact on the chinese population without that information leaking. I'm sure the official figures are fabrications, but, I don't think they are THAT wrong.